please dont rip this site

UBICOM VIDEO VIRTUAL PERIPHERAL
Design Challenge and Contest

Ok, its time for us Ubicom (Scenix) users to put this PIC video thing to rest... We alone have the speed required in a low cost micro controller to really make it happen!

Just a few thoughts:

Even at 50MHz on an Ubicom (Scenix) SX (and the 100Mhz SX52's are working nicely), the 52uS video line on a standard TV allows for up to 2600 instructions. At 40 columns that would be 65 instructions per column. 320 dots per line (8 dots per column) would allow 8 instructions per dot. Enough to be shifting out bits by rotating port A interleaved with indexing a table and looking up the next character dot line value? 256 dots per line would allow 10.
http://www.efd.lth.se/~e96rg/mc/video/rtvideo.html

The lack of memory is the major limiting factor. With the 52 and about 200 bytes of RAM, we could try for a 40 character by 5 line display. Or 20 x 10. And if you are displaying only numbers... in BCD that is 400 digits. (...last 40 Caller ID numbers?, ...video paper tape for a calculator?, etc...)

And there is enough time (about 600 instructions) between lines to do some unpacking of the next line...
http://www.sxlist.com/techref/method/compress/embedded.htm
http://www.sxlist.com/techref/method/compress.htm
http://www.sxlist.com/techref/scenix/lib/math/radix/index_sx.htm
...or reading in a new line from an external serial RAM
http://www.sxlist.com/techref/mem/srams.htm
FRAM is $2.95 each for the 2kByte part

To generate character data for 128 characters, a 5 x 7 character matrix is 640 bytes of data in FLASH (hard to rotate though...). Or 1536 bytes with a 8 x 12 matrix. Use IREAD so you won't have any problems with big tables. Really only need 95 characters. The data is already done for you:
http://www.sxlist.com/techref/datafile/charsets.htm

Here is the current "state of the art" in PIC video character generation.
http://www.efd.lth.se/~e96rg/mc/mc.html#softvideo
http://www.efd.lth.se/~e96rg/mc/mechanic/232disp.html
http://www.rt66.com/dthomas/pic/vidclock.html
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/pictock.html
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse134.pdf
http://www.ubasics.com/adam/pic/archive/picdream.zip

In graphics, 200 bytes is only 1600 dots.. maybe 32 by 50 on the screen. The gameboy is 160x144. It might be more interesting to make larger "sprites" in FLASH instead of characters and work out a way to position them anywhere on a 256 x 256 grid.
http://www.rt66.com/dthomas/pic/pong.html
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/picpong.html
http://www.efd.lth.se/~e96rg/mc/video/tetris.html

Why bother?

All of which pale in comparison to the #1 reason why this would be a cool thing to do...

...its a really neat HACK!

Also, I like CRT's better than LCD's... So...

I'm announcing the first sxlist.com challenge!

I will pay $100, give away some SX's and do a big write-up on the site for the first person who can make a 20 character by 4 line NTSC output, standard Hitachi 44780 command (or RS232 or SPI or I2C or... anything useful) input, LCD replacement using an SX processor, some resistors, and the right code!

http://www.sxlist.com gets about 10,000 hits a day from 500 or so visitors (distinct IPs) and I will proclaim that you are an SX Master on every page for a week with a link to the full write-up of your accomplishment.

Now, if money is what motivates you, and the exposure doesn't bring you any new customers, you can re-write the code with what you learned (its always better the second time around), add the RS232 hardware and virtual peripheral and sell the unit.

Intelligent LCD controllers with 20 x 4 LCD's (and an RS232 input) cost better than $100. Even if you don't already have a TV (or need a bigger display) you can buy a 9" professional video monitor for less than that or a little TV (no video input need RF modulator) for $39 or even a color unit (with CATV input) for $100 so you might have a Serial Backpack(tm) killer. (Serial Packpack is a registered trademark of Scott Edwards electronics)
http://www.seetron.com/bpp420_1.htm $79.00
if you can get 40 x 4 it would replace the BPP440
http://www.seetron.com/bpp440_1.htm $159.00

Or build up some competition for bob:
http://www.decadenet.com/bob2/bob2.html
http://www.decadenet.com/bob2/screensht.htm

Fine print:

James Newton
1-619-652-0593
~NOSPAM~jamesnewton-Remove- at sxlist.com
SX FAQ: http://www.sxlist.com

Resources:

NTSC Video signal specifications

Untested SX code for shifting out one pixel every other cycle from a character data table using the RA port as a 4 bit shift register

Nikolai Golovchenko's code snippet for detecting horizontal sync with the SX's built in analog comparitor

Character Set Data

Yves [rdd69415 at mail.telepac.pt] says

http://members.rotfl.com/dturner/
http://members.rotfl.com/JensJ/ some good software and information on sync generator and Pll etc...System PAL or NTSC Work with Microchip or Scenix ( Sx18 at 20 or 50 Mhz)

http://64.30.204.60/tom/theory/theory.htm (cached 20001213) this is a fantastic tutorial on how to detect sync in software.

Richard Ottosen says:

http://www.idcomm.com/personal/ottosen/ Look for the title "Display large characters on a graphic LCD" in the Stupid PIC Tricks section.

This was a project to test using the SX to put large characters on a graphic LCD which does not have a built-in intelligent controller. The display I used just has the shift registers that drive the pixels. The SX generates all the pixels continuously at a video rate to keep the LCD screen refreshed.

I put the schematic, some graphic LCD data sheets and several pictures on the page as well as the uncensored code. ;-)

[ed: well it's video, it's just not NTSC or PAL video...]

Entries:

If you are an SXList member (see below) you can browse the discussion of this challenge on the PICList archives.

Eric Smith and Richard Ottosen have demonstrated thier SXList entry at the 6502 group meeting. Richard demonstrated the SX doing color and talked about the basics of TV video and how the hardware works. Eric demonstrated his SX created monochrome character display and talked about how his software works. Eric also talked about some of the subtleties of NTSC color.  Hardware? Just the SX and an R/2R DAC. Check here to see for some pictures: http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/ubicom/servid/.

George F Hotz s has single character generation and fadeing(!) working

The grapevine says that Wouter van Ooijen is hard at work on an entry as well!

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!

Eric Smith and Richard Ottosen's SERVID entry clearly meets the contest requirements and bests any PIC design I've seen. It's an intellegent RS232 video terminal (4x20 character display) in one chip. See the write up here.. A trophy, some toys and $100 are on thier way to the winning team.

More information on SX Video generation at SX Video IO

...and now on to the next contest. SX FAST EMBEDDED ETHERNET - Now running. Are you ready to connect?


file: /Techref/scenix/contest/video.htm, 14KB, , updated: 2009/5/29 13:13, local time: 2024/12/4 00:48,
TOP NEW HELP FIND: 
18.188.183.21:LOG IN

 ©2024 These pages are served without commercial sponsorship. (No popup ads, etc...).Bandwidth abuse increases hosting cost forcing sponsorship or shutdown. This server aggressively defends against automated copying for any reason including offline viewing, duplication, etc... Please respect this requirement and DO NOT RIP THIS SITE. Questions?
Please DO link to this page! Digg it! / MAKE!

<A HREF="http://techref.massmind.org/techref/scenix/contest/video.htm"> SCENIX VIDEO VIRTUAL PERIPHERAL - Design Challenge and Contest</A>

After you find an appropriate page, you are invited to your to this massmind site! (posts will be visible only to you before review) Just type a nice message (short messages are blocked as spam) in the box and press the Post button. (HTML welcomed, but not the <A tag: Instead, use the link box to link to another page. A tutorial is available Members can login to post directly, become page editors, and be credited for their posts.


Link? Put it here: 
if you want a response, please enter your email address: 
Attn spammers: All posts are reviewed before being made visible to anyone other than the poster.
Did you find what you needed?

 

Welcome to massmind.org!

 

Welcome to techref.massmind.org!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  .