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'piclist needs to be moderated'
1999\03\24@104335 by Peter Crowcroft

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Am I the only one reading this list who thinks the piclist is turning into
a Usenet newsgroup? Last week it was Muslims, now it is americans who have
never been to asia and seen 'ugly americans' first-hand or heard of  the
book or even seen the Marlon Brando & Kukrit Pramot film. Interesting stuff
but NOT on the piclist.

I get the digest. More & more over the last 2 months I am doing PgDn about
2/sec. I am getting sick of it. I favour the list being moderated. I do not
apologise for suggesting it.

Opinions?




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1999\03\24@105214 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Peter Crowcroft wrote:
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> Am I the only one reading this list who thinks the piclist is turning into
> a Usenet newsgroup? Last week it was Muslims, now it is americans who have
> never been to asia and seen 'ugly americans' first-hand or heard of  the
> book or even seen the Marlon Brando & Kukrit Pramot film. Interesting stuff
> but NOT on the piclist.
>
> I get the digest. More & more over the last 2 months I am doing PgDn about
> 2/sec. I am getting sick of it. I favour the list being moderated. I do not
> apologise for suggesting it.
>
> Opinions?

I wish there was a terminal arse-cramp curse that one could place
on the next person to start a thread on politics, religion,
PCB etching & design, UV erasure operating systems, PC architecture or gorilla-part-info-requests.

The advantage to not being Jory or Mark, is that there is no ethical
obligation on one to be nice.... ;)

If it wasn't for the unreasonable efforts required from
Jory & Mark to moderate this beast, I'd vote for it.

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1999\03\24@122311 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 23:29 03/24/99 +1100, Peter Crowcroft wrote:
>I get the digest. More & more over the last 2 months I am doing PgDn about
>2/sec. I am getting sick of it. I favour the list being moderated. I do not
>apologise for suggesting it.
>
>Opinions?

get the messages and put a filter on "[OT]" (of course first you filter all
piclist messages in their own folder/directory/whatever). you'd filter out
most of it. then delete (no page down needed) the messages with subjects
that don't interest you. there will not be much "noise" left. i don't have
a problem with doing this.

i don't know why i would leave it to someone else's judgement what i read.
if i don't like it, i delete it. if somebody else deletes it, i never know
whether i might have liked it...

i don't know why, but the response to my OT messages is usually much better
than to my messages regarding pics (which doesn't depend on me, obviously).
sometimes no response at all... :)  maybe all you guys who think the s/n
ratio is bad just start writing more about pics... ?? enhancing the signal
level is one possibility to get a better s/n.

ge

1999\03\24@134336 by Reginald Neale

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>I get the digest. More & more over the last 2 months I am doing PgDn about
>2/sec. I am getting sick of it. I favour the list being moderated. I do not
>apologise for suggesting it.
>
>Opinions?

<old philosopher mode ON>

To save you the trouble of using PgDn more than you prefer, all
list-members would (ideally for you) accept your standards for what is
interesting and/or on-topic.

This meta-issue is debated endlessly on every list I've ever been on. The
facts as I see them are a) LIFE is full of annoying detritus, and b) one
person's garbage is another person's gem. The existing list arrangement
gives you the widest possible range of choices, but it does require you to
tolerate others' ideas about what is appropriate to post.

I have a DELETE key, and I get to decide when to use it. Works for me.
Of course I don't speak for Jory or Mark.

<old philosopher mode OFF>

Reg Neale

1999\03\24@135619 by Andres Tarzia

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Peter,

If this list were moderated, and I were the moderator then you message, not
having the [OT] prefix, wouldn't have been forwarded to the list.

*THINK* before you talk (or write).

Regards,
Andres

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1999\03\24@154022 by Wagner Lipnharski

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<soapBox>

I also participate in some other digest, list forums, whatever name you
can say. In all of them you can see Out of Topic subjects.  Some lists
are controlled by iron hand, and they have very low traffic. It is the
human nature to disagree, and this is how we grow, develop new ideas,
new solutions. This is also how we lead to wars, mostly about the
millenary religion problems or political, also racial, subjects we need
to avoid discussions at any cost.

You don't learn how to write without discuss the best way of sharping
your pencils, or where to buy the best paper... you end up talking about
the rules and measurements about the letter size or why in Europe they
use A4 sizes instead Letter size.  This is common, and somehow
productive, but I agree that there is two options in life; you
participate or you do not participate.  If there are tools that make you
see or not [OT] posts, I think you can use them, if you don't know how
to do it, lots of members can help you.

You don't talk only about food in a restaurant, or religion in a church,
or fish while fishing, or beer at the bar, but as a rule of thumb,
everyone needs to remember the use of the "ridiculousy_meter".

People who pays per minute of 'net access will always have this problem,
but everyone needs to find a way to save his own money.  There is an
imbedded cost in using the Internet facilities, it is not free. I don't
see any sense in ask people to not call my cell phone (cost me $0.40 per
minute), rather than I just turn it off, right?  I must not transfer my
own problems to somebody else. Thinking about bandwith I always try to
make short posts, it is not my nature, I just can't.

What we will do if we start to have 2,000 posts (On Topic) daily? narrow
the On Topic subject?

Probably a good solution was to implement a filter at the list server,
so everyone could program this option to receive or not [OT] messages.
Like "SET PICLIST [OT] ON/OFF. I guess 96% or more will chose to receive
OT's.

I enjoy to receive OT's, it is a free way to learn about human nature
and different cultures, technologically or not.  The "thousand millions"
in UK for example was one of them. I Thank you for it.  I believe that
lots of members readers are not here strictly to read about PIC, but for
general knowledge, for them, this list is a door to the world, and
sometimes they prefer to read a discussion about "k's and K's" between
me, Gehrard, Andy and others, rather than try to find it somewhere else.
For some this was fun, for others just waste of time. I am quite sure
that lots of readers never heard about SI, because they are newbies or
other reason, right now we must be proud that our "out of topic waste of
time and b.s. discussion" brought this great and productive information
for them. Otherwise I don't see how or where they would learn about it.

Jory and Mark job in here is the best I ever see around, they have the
wide open wise mind necessary to control such complex list and its
problems. This is not b.s., just the truth. Thank you guys.

</soapBox>

Wagner.

1999\03\24@162356 by paulb

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Reginald Neale wrote:

> The facts as I see them are a) LIFE is full of annoying detritus, and
> b) one person's garbage is another person's gem.  The existing list
> arrangement gives you the widest possible range of choices, but it
> does require you to tolerate others' ideas

 I'm with you and Gerhard.  Suits me to kill my own junk.  Just wish I
had four times as much available time to do so (no, ten!).

> I have a DELETE key, and I get to decide when to use it. Works for me.

 A lot of people here, myself most certainly included, don't want to
read junk, profanity etc. (and therefore rarely read newsgroups).  It's
just that there is one thing which we will not tolerate under any
circumstances (and that's what is so good about the Internet).

 Censorship.
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       Paul B.

1999\03\25@055023 by Stefan Sczekalla-Waldschmidt

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Hi,

Something making this list interesting is the "common sense".

Even most of [OT] subjects are related to something  I'm
interested in.

And if the subjetct is totally of no interest to me,
I mark this thread read - and delete it.

Kind regards,

       Stefan

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