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1998\09\14@150033 by tmariner

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Hello Pic Listers,

In the process of evaluating Version Control Software that is particularly
well suited to the embedded control environment. One client seems pleased
with SCCS. There other possiblities including the Microsoft variety.

Any preferences?

Tom

1998\09\14@163656 by kfisk

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I have been investigating this recently as well. Any reason you have not
considered Intersolv's PVCS Suite? Just wondering because at the moment I
was leaning toward this direction, but honestly have not investigated it
enough to form an educated opinion.

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1998\09\14@171523 by Scott Hidalgo

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Another option is the RCS/CVS combination.  And the best part is that
they are free.

-Scott

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Kevin Fisk wrote:

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1998\09\14@182516 by Dennis Plunkett

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At 04:02 PM 14/09/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Another option is the RCS/CVS combination.  And the best part is that
>they are free.
>
>-Scott

On this topic there are many options, some good some bad. Currently I think
that RCS is only on Unix, but windoze is commmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmming. PVCS is
good to great, and used by many, with this one you get PVCS make a goodly
product on its' own. Then there is Source Safe (Now a Microsoft product),
well umm what can I say, things have changed since they purchased this one
(Microsoft that is).

Be aware that with RCS it is command line driven, but essentially very good,
as is PVCS. If I recall PVCS will hook directly in with Coderigt to give a
very good embedded environment.

All have there ups and downs, but chose carefully, once you have adopted a
set of procedures, don't change them, as this will invariably cause caous.
Also look for packages that don't allow easy manipulation of the source
code. Some are quite dumb in that they let the user keep a local copy of the
source, this is then edited and copied to another directory, the source is
then checked out, and the edited version copied over-> wow! All that some
products do, to stop this is change the attributes on the file (Not hard to
change back eh!)


Dennis

1998\09\14@222026 by Martin Darwin

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At 08:28 AM 9/15/98 +1000, you wrote:

>On this topic there are many options, some good some bad. Currently I think
>that RCS is only on Unix, but windoze is commmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmming.

CVS essentially supercedes RCS. CVS runs on many different OS'es including
windows.  It is command line based but there are several gui's for it.
WinCVS, tkCVS (using TCL/TK), gCVS, jCVS (Java version), MacCVS, etc...
Checkout <http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs-index.html> for more info.

MD


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1998\09\15@092320 by Mark A. Corio

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In a message dated 98-09-14 17:16:27 EDT, you write:

<< Another option is the RCS/CVS combination.  And the best part is that
they are free.
 >>
Where??

Mark A. Corio
Rochester MicroSystems, Inc.
200 Buell Road, Suite 9
Rochester, NY  14624
Tel: 716-328-5850
Fax: 716-328-1144
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rmi/
****** Designing Electronics for Research and Industry ******

1998\09\15@094822 by Andy Kunz

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At 02:49 PM 9/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello Pic Listers,
>
>In the process of evaluating Version Control Software that is particularly
>well suited to the embedded control environment. One client seems pleased
>with SCCS. There other possiblities including the Microsoft variety.
>
>Any preferences?

WINZIP32 and WINDIF32.  Together they give me a snapshot without all the
overhead of a "real" VCS.  And the price is much better, too.

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\09\15@103346 by Bob Shaver

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On Monday, September 14, 1998 2:50 PM, tmariner
[SMTP:.....tmarinerKILLspamspam@spam@OPTONLINE.NET] wrote:
> In the process of evaluating Version Control Software that is
particularly
> well suited to the embedded control environment. One client seems pleased
> with SCCS. There other possiblities including the Microsoft variety.
>
> Any preferences?

I suggest using the free RCS variants just to get a feel for how version
control will REALLY fit into your work environment. Then get eval copies of
some commercial packages and try them out.  Look for being able to undo an
erroneous check-in, integration with your editors/IDE, support for
sandboxes (or private development directories if you do multiple-programmer
projects), support for in-house libraries (some deal with this a
sub-projects), integrated bug tracking (if you intend on using this).  My
opinions of several packages follow:

As the other messages mentioned, RCS (and CVS) are free, command-line
driven.  I have a version of RCS that runs under DOS (and DOS boxes in
WIn95/NT).

MKS Source Integrity: My company currently has 1 copy of MKS Source
Integrity (basically a windows front end to the RCS engine).  Runs in
command line mode or windows-based.  Big selling point is multiple platform
support (DOS, Win95/NT, Unix, IBM AS400, etc.).  MKS also adds support for
network administration, multiple users each with local copies of the
checked-out files (called sandboxes), file permissions, promotion (i.e.
development, testing, production...if your company uses this scheme).  The
"pro" version supports WEB browser access and has bug tracking.  I think
list is $500 - $600 per seat, $1,200 for pro (not sure).

StarBase StarTeam: Looks real slick.  We evaluated a copy 1.5 yrs ago.  Win
95/NT only.  Presents archives as explorer tree (like desktop explorer).
Also, has built-in (no extra cost) bug tracking and message forums (for
project-related messages between developers), supports access via WEB
browsers for distributed development (can you say "work at home"?).    I
really liked this (more than MKS), but other programmer's here liked MKS.
Unfortunately, now they have priced themselves out of the small market
(IMHO), version 3.0 requires $400-$600 per seat (I think) AND $1K for the
server!!!!!  Version 2.1 was only $450 per seat and required no server.

Microsoft SourceSafe: Spiffy Windows-based look and feel (projects
presented in split-window explorer trees).  Written by 3rd party and bought
by MicroSoft.  I have forgotten what we did not like about this one, except
a couple colleagues thought is was a little tough to use (not as easy for
1st time users as MKS or StarTeam).  Good thing is very tight integration
w/Visual development environment.

PVCS: Oldie but ?goodie?  <flame on> I personally would rather get my teeth
pulled using rusty pliers and no pain killers (very biased opinion based on
very bad experience 10 years ago, I have not looked at this since) <flame
off>.  Rumor is that the user interface is getting better (it used to be
most non-intuitive).

Bob.

1998\09\15@104600 by Scott Hidalgo

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CVS is available for the following platformss:

Unix
LInux
VMS
Win95/NT
OS/2
Mac
AmigaOS
BeOs

at http:\\http://www.cyclic.com\

-Scott

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mark A. Corio wrote:

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1998\09\15@132525 by kfisk

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Bob,

> PVCS: Oldie but ?goodie?  <flame on> I personally would
> rather get my teeth
> pulled using rusty pliers and no pain killers (very biased
> opinion based on
> very bad experience 10 years ago, I have not looked at this
> since) <flame
> off>.

Ouch, can you explain what your bad experience was? I am evaluating their
latest tool suite (includes bug tracking and WEB client) and only want to do
this once. I would prefer not to have a bad experience and hope to learn
from yours. TIA

Cheers,

K. Fisk <kfiskspamKILLspamwkpowerlink.com>
< Opinions are my own worthless dribble that might otherwise be put to more
constructive uses 0->

1998\09\15@140150 by Fehrenbach, Robert J

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RCS is available in the Simtel archives.   Try:

http://oak.oakland.edu/simtel.net/ <http://oak.oakland.edu/simtel.net/>

Search the DOS archive for RCS5.  There will be a couple of zip files.
One will probably contain the manuals and the executables and the other
the source files.

> << Another option is the RCS/CVS combination.  And the best part is
that
>  they are free.
>   >>
> Where??
>
> Mark A. Corio
> Rochester MicroSystems, Inc.

1998\09\15@152230 by daddio

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Thank you for your quick response and you help.  It is greatly appreciated.


Max


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1998\09\16@103228 by Bob Shaver

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> > PVCS: Oldie but ?goodie?  <flame on> I personally would
> > rather get my teeth
> > pulled using rusty pliers and no pain killers (very biased
> > opinion based on
> > very bad experience 10 years ago, I have not looked at this
> > since) <flame
> > off>.
>
> Ouch, can you explain what your bad experience was? I am evaluating their
> latest tool suite (includes bug tracking and WEB client) and only want to
do
> this once. I would prefer not to have a bad experience and hope to learn
> from yours. TIA

Most of our problems were with incredibly cryptic command switches and
poor/misleading documentation.  As I recall, once you got all the switches
straight it worked OK (i.e. did not trash archive files).  I personally
have not tried (or seen) any of the GUI versions of PVCS.  I can only relay
rumors that I have heard from other people.

Bob.

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