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1997\03\12@015033 by Werner Terreblanche

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Bob

 Just a quick hello...   I downloaded your files some time ago and
showed it around to some people in my office.  One guy got very
enthusiastic and actually built a clock.  It works very well, and
here from my office I can see it standing on his PC.  It has really
attracted so much attention from people passing by.

Then the other day a tourgroup passed through the company and when
one of the group saw the propellar clock he immeadiately shouted out
"Its a Bob Blick Propellar clock!".   So it seems that you have gotten
instant fame all around the world with your ingenious design.  Even
down here in Africa people know your name.   ; )

Rgds
Werner

1997\03\12@083951 by peter

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While we are on the subject..
I would like to thank Bob for posting his design for us all
to use
I have mine up and running.
I could not find video or DD motor so
I used a motor from cassette tape recorder ( it probably won't
last long running 24 hours a day though ).
The spinning arm I mounted vertical with the led's mounted
on it without the 90 Deg bend.
Bob's program works great on this setup, the three poles give
me one display per rev.
mclockt.hex with the smaller numbers work best on this setup.

The only reasons for the changes I have made are that I did
not have any other motor and vertical spinning makes it easier
to mount on a wall, I have a six year old (and friends) who
(still) have ten fingers

Thanks again Bob
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Peter Cousens
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snailmail: Peter Cousens, karteros, Heraklion, Crete, 75100, Greece,
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After Bill Gates announced to the world that he was Microsoft,
his wife was asked to comment. She said that as his wife, she
had been the first to notice this problem

1997\03\12@112124 by Geoff Wootton

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Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts
marketing it ...

1997\03\12@113909 by Mike

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At 04:18 PM 12/03/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts
>marketing it ...

Sadly - that won't stop anyone from making a profit from it AND sharing a
proportion of that profit with Bob.

Patents are great for publishing and great for setting a date of note-
worthiness - but cost a great deal to defend - often far more than any
business plan can identify as 'unencumbered returns from commercialisation'
and I think we can guess that real returns are usually less than those
identified in a 'optimistic' business plan.

In Australia we have the Federal Police to handle copyright infringements,
but a patent infringement does not result in any (automatic) response from
governments...

Even with Oz Federal Police we have to raise a writ - but its cheaper by
far than issuing action over possible patent infringement. So I tend to
lean towards copyright as a mechanism coupled with trade-secrets - but, I
think we already had several threads about that and PIC code copying already.

Rgds

Mike

Some say there is no magic but, all things begin with thought then it becomes
academic, then some poor slob works out a practical way to implement all that
theory, this is called Engineering - for most people another form of magic.
                                                                      Massen

1997\03\12@123107 by Bob Fehrenbach

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Geoff Wootton <.....woottongKILLspamspam@spam@isdugp.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts
>marketing it ...
>


  The concept is already patented.  In fact this design could
  infringe so if anyone wants to commercialize this, beware.


--
Bob Fehrenbach    Wauwatosa, WI     bfehrenbspamKILLspamexecpc.com

1997\03\12@124316 by Mike

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At 11:26 AM 12/03/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Geoff Wootton <.....woottongKILLspamspam.....isdugp.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts
>>marketing it ...
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>
>   The concept is already patented.  In fact this design could
>   infringe so if anyone wants to commercialize this, beware.

Could you tell us what the title of the patent is - I'd like to look it
up ?

I can't see that concepts are patentable - implementations are - yes ?

I can see that the commercialisation of 'a' design could infringe but surely
if B.Blick were to design another form and not commercialise it then that
would NOT be an infringement - yes ?


Rgds

Mike

Some say there is no magic but, all things begin with thought then it becomes
academic, then some poor slob works out a practical way to implement all that
theory, this is called Engineering - for most people another form of magic.
                                                                      Massen

1997\03\12@155235 by Bob Fehrenbach

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Mike <EraseMEerazmusspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTWANTREE.COM.AU> wrote:
>Could you tell us what the title of the patent is - I'd like to look it
>up ?

Hi Mike,

I probably have a copy somewhere in a real safe place.  If you have
any sort of search capability, the inventor is Edward Sokol.  The patent
would have issued in the mid 80's, possibly as early as 1984.  I'll
look to see if I can find the number.

The invention, in this case, was a rotating drum with LEDs on the rim.
It was intended as a point-of-purchase display.  I'm not too sure how
broad the claims are and whether they would include Bob Blick's design.
I am in occasional contact with Ed Sokol and if I remember I'll ask him
the next time he calls. He sold the patent a couple of years ago.

I did the electronic package for the original prototype - 1980 or 1981.
We did both single and multicolor versions.  Fun project.


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Bob Fehrenbach    Wauwatosa, WI     bfehrenbspamspam_OUTexecpc.com

1997\03\12@170439 by taking

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Not to mention a patent should be defensible before you bother to pay
the many thousands it takes to get overall.   A patent has to be NOVEL
(IE unique) not just a different use of an idea.  There is a light stick
toy that's been out for many years, and you can bet they have a patent
on the swinging lights if they were able.  (Doubt it because I've seen
the basic idea from the sign industry for quite a while.)  Not that
Bob's idea isn't very neat and a very good one, just all the individual
parts have been done before, and that makes a patent almost impossible
to defend.  Not to mention you have to make a couple of million off of
it before it was worthwhile.
 Besides ;)  I have had a working system (running on a seagate hd
platter and then a floppy drive motor,  3000+ rpm was too much for
easily balancing a battery and pc board system)  since last summer for
strobing 24 led's on each blade of a RC helicopter.  You should see
what  a five foot disk of 48 2000mcd leds look like flying around at
night!




Mike wrote:
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> At 04:18 PM 12/03/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts
> >marketing it ...
>
> Sadly - that won't stop anyone from making a profit from it AND sharing a
> proportion of that profit with Bob.

1997\03\13@111016 by eter J. (GEA, 068974 )

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A great place for all to review patents for free is the IBM patent site
on the web:
http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/

You can search for a specific patent #, boolean text search.......and so
on.

-Pete
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