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1999\03\11@112705 by Eduardo R.

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Still experiencing problems posting to the list. Sorry if duplicated

Regarding to SIMICE , a question arose....what is the difference between
simulator and emulator?



>>SIMICE is a SIMULATOR and not an emulator.
>> Pailoor


 Because of its shortcomings SIMICE It's called the poor's man emulator by
Professor Peter Anderson. He tells you why in his web page and how MORGAN
university' students use it in developing codes for 16f84, 16C6 and C7
,12C67 as well as 12C5xx, you may  Check

 http://www.phanderson.com/PIC/simice.html



BTW does anyone know where is possible to order SIMICE here in USA ?,been
looking for a week and
got stuck ,I will have to order it from UK.

1999\03\11@113725 by Steven Kosmerchock

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Eduardo,
I bought mine from Bell Industries (Part # DV162010).
Any of the MCHIP reps/distributors should carry it.
I use to experiment with new chip sets that I will be using
to interface with a PIC. I'm still a student so it helps me out alot.
The SIMICE DOES NOT run in realtime!! A 1mS delay seems
to take forever! At $129.00 though, it's worth the price.
Although, if I had the money I would have just bought a
Mathias from Tech-Tools instead!

Bell Industries------>   http://www.bellind.com

Best of luck,
Steven


Steven Kosmerchock
Engineering Technician/Student
CELWAVE
Phoenix   Arizona   USA
Email:  spam_OUTsteve.kosmerchockTakeThisOuTspamcelwave.com
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1999\03\11@121658 by Scott Dattalo

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Steven Kosmerchock wrote:

> Eduardo,
> I bought mine from Bell Industries (Part # DV162010).
> Any of the MCHIP reps/distributors should carry it.
> I use to experiment with new chip sets that I will be using
> to interface with a PIC. I'm still a student so it helps me out alot.
> The SIMICE DOES NOT run in realtime!! A 1mS delay seems
> to take forever! At $129.00 though, it's worth the price.

gpsim is a software emulator/ simulator that runs faster than real time
and is free. Check out

http://www.interstice.com/~sdattalo/gnupic/gpsim.html

I just released version 0.0.12 - the main new feature is symbolic
debugging (i.e. .cod files are now supported)


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1999\03\11@163138 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 10:16 03/11/99 -0600, Eduardo R. wrote:
> Regarding to SIMICE , a question arose....what is the difference between
>simulator and emulator?

generally, an emulator is a device which looks to the circuit just like a
normal chip, but has a "back door" from where you can control it and get
the internal information (in various degrees of usability and comfort). and
a simulator is usually a program which simulates your device in software
only, pure "virtual." i don't know the simice, but it seems it is some sort
of emulator in the sense it's actual hardware, but not full-blown, ie.
somebody said it doesn't run at full speed.

ge

1999\03\12@024101 by Philippe

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Steven Kosmerchock wrote:
> Eduardo,
> I bought mine from Bell Industries (Part # DV162010).
> Any of the MCHIP reps/distributors should carry it.
> I use to experiment with new chip sets that I will be using
> to interface with a PIC. I'm still a student so it helps me out alot.
> The SIMICE DOES NOT run in realtime!! A 1mS delay seems
> to take forever! At $129.00 though, it's worth the price.

One of the fastest simulator on a PC is UMPS, also able to go
as fast as in real time:
       http://www.vmdesign.com

Regards,
       Philippe.

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