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'PIC ICE recommendations?'
1997\02\23@154949 by Robert Zeff

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Hi,
I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator.
I need it to run on Windows NT.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

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1997\02\23@164921 by Andy Kunz

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At 12:37 PM 2/23/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator.
>I need it to run on Windows NT.  Any suggestions?

I use ClearView/Mathias from Parallax, http://www.parallaxinc.com

Andy

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1997\02\23@193620 by Robert Zeff

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> From: Andy Kunz <.....montanaKILLspamspam@spam@FAST.NET>
> To: PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: PIC ICE recommendations?
> Date: Sunday, February 23, 1997 1:54 PM
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> At 12:37 PM 2/23/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator.
> >I need it to run on Windows NT.  Any suggestions?
>
> I use ClearView/Mathias from Parallax, http://www.parallaxinc.com
>
> Andy
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>
Are you using it under Windows NT?

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1997\02\24@092050 by Andy Kunz

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>Are you using it under Windows NT?

Heavens, no, Robert, I've only got 32M of ram!  It's on 95.  But I heard of
a guy who's getting an 3.1/NT/MAC/UNIX programmer out soon.  I'll see if I
can't dig up the URL.

Andy

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1997\02\24@104411 by Octavio Nogueira

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> De: Robert Zeff <.....rzeffKILLspamspam.....AINET.COM>

> Hi,
> I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator.
> I need it to run on Windows NT.  Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,

I'm using Pro Station 3X from Prochips at http://www.prochips.com

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1997\02\24@140202 by Tim Kerby

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Sounds just like what I need for compatibility in the new courses at school
in scotland.  Compatibility is a big issue.  Is he likely to support the
acorn too?

Tim

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1997\02\24@222036 by Robert Zeff

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Are you running it under WinNT?
Thanks,

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1997\02\25@095652 by Andy Kunz

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At 07:54 AM 2/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Are you running it under WinNT?
>Thanks,

Robert,

NT is very protective of I/O, and direct access needs to go through a VBX
running very close to the center ring, if not actually there.

This is what keeps NT from falling over as much as 95 and 3.1.

This is also why I highly recommend using a serial programmer rather than a
parallel-port one.  Timing is another reason.

Andy
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1997\02\25@105650 by Robert Zeff

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Yea, I know, as I've dabbled in writing NT's device drivers.  I'm not
really
concerned about a programmer, but an in In Circuit Emulator.  Actually, a
fast machine wouldn't cause a timing problem.  And there's no reason why
a serial port would work better than a parallel port except that interrupt
driven serial drivers already exist for NT.

Thanks,
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1997\02\25@110438 by Alan G. Smith

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On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Andy Kunz wrote:

> At 07:54 AM 2/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
> NT is very protective of I/O, and direct access needs to go through a VBX
> running very close to the center ring, if not actually there.
Allow me to clear thisup.  NT does NOT use VxD's.  (VBX are custom controls
for visual basic (Visual Basic eXtensions) and are beside the point.)  VxDs
are used by 3.1 and 95. In NT you have to write a Device Driver.

Win32 will NOT allow you to have direct access, so you must do it through
these methods.  This is for security as well as stability.

Hope this helps,

Alan G. Smith

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1997\02\25@144933 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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Thus spake Robert Zeff (RemoveMErzeffEraseMEspamEraseMEAINET.COM):

> concerned about a programmer, but an in In Circuit Emulator.  Actually, a
> fast machine wouldn't cause a timing problem.  And there's no reason why
> a serial port would work better than a parallel port except that interrupt
> driven serial drivers already exist for NT.

Many device programmers (not just PIC programmers) that interface via the
parallel
port use timing loops (or whatever) on the PC to time the programming pulses.
This
is not possible on NT, since the pre-emptive multi-tasking can mean that after
setting a bit high, your program gets suspended for an indeterminate period of
time.

Any programmer that will work properly under NT must have some intelligence in
the actual programmer hardware, to do the timing.

Emulators like the PICMaster should be able to to be made to work, but
require a device driver, as mentioned. Unless the software is rewritten to
access the device driver directly, it is also necessary to write a
virtual device driver that will trap the 16 bit program's attempts to access
the real hardware, and translate this into calls to the kernel device
driver.

I believe Microchip have initiated some moves to do this for the PICMaster,
but what the schedule for this is I have no idea. I wouldn't suggest
holding your breath (you'll turn blue and pass out :-) Oh, and don't
run with scissors, either :-)


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1997\02\26@102630 by Jon Anders Haugum

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Clyde Smith-Stubbs (RemoveMEclydeTakeThisOuTspamspamHTSOFT.COM) wrote:
>Many device programmers (not just PIC programmers) that interface via the
> parallel
>port use timing loops (or whatever) on the PC to time the programming pulses.
> This
>is not possible on NT, since the pre-emptive multi-tasking can mean that
>after setting a bit high, your program gets suspended for an indeterminate
>period of time.

Wrong. There are only minimum timing limits to consider when programming a
PIC. If you run a preemptive multitasking system and your programming software
get suspended, the only effect this will have is that the whole programming
cycle will use a little more time to finish.

But if there is some maximum timing limits, you will have to use your own
hardware to get exact timing. It can also be solved quite successfully with
interrupt-driven timing or in a OS with good real-time abilities (something NT
don't have), but this won't work if the timing values is very short (The
us range would be hard to handle, and the ns range quite impossible).



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'PIC ICE recommendations?'
1997\03\04@095527 by Andy Kunz
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At 06:59 PM 2/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Sounds just like what I need for compatibility in the new courses at school
>in scotland.  Compatibility is a big issue.  Is he likely to support the
>acorn too?

Tim,

What's the "acorn?"

Andy
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