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1997\01\15@112654 by John Piccirillo

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   Farnell Components, 1 800 718-1997 (http://www.farnellcomponents.com)
carries the Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC for $ 31.92.  Their prices on
components seems to be way out of line though.  A 16C84 10Mhz lists for $
14.78; Digikey lists for $ 6.93!

John-


'PIC Book'
1997\03\13@051425 by rrose
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Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
Gardner?  Any comments?  Worth getting?

I do have (and even have read) "Easy Pic 'n" from Square 1.  I was
just wondering if Mr. Gardner book was worthwhile too.

Richard Rosenheim
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1997\03\13@070617 by Leon Heller

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In message <.....199703131014.CAA18397KILLspamspam@spam@bighorn.accessnv.com>, Richard
Rosenheim <rrosespamKILLspamACCESSNV.COM> writes
>Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
>Gardner?  Any comments?  Worth getting?
>
>I do have (and even have read) "Easy Pic 'n" from Square 1.  I was
>just wondering if Mr. Gardner book was worthwhile too.

If you've never done any programming in assembler and know nothing about
microcontrollers you might find it useful. Otherwise, don't bother!

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1997\03\13@125516 by Andrew Warren

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Richard Rosenheim <EraseMErrosespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTaccessnv.com> wrote:

> Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
> Gardner?  Any comments?  Worth getting?
>
> I do have (and even have read) "Easy Pic 'n" from Square 1.  I was
> just wondering if Mr. Gardner book was worthwhile too.

Richard:

I've read the first edition of the Gardner book... I thought it
sucked.  He's written a second edition; I haven't seen it, but I
heard that it wan't much better.

The "Easy Pic'n" book is the only one I'd recommend for novice PIC
programmers.

-Andy

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1997\03\13@175804 by peter

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Richard Rosenheim wrote:
>
> Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
> Gardner?  Any comments?  Worth getting?
>
> I do have (and even have read) "Easy Pic 'n" from Square 1.  I was
> just wondering if Mr. Gardner book was worthwhile too.
>
> Richard Rosenheim
> @spam@rroseKILLspamspamaccessnv.com

last time my wife was in London I asked her (at the last moment) to get
easy pic'n
Maplin, Woodgreen told her Mr Gardner's book was worthwile

published in 1994
five project for 16c54's, trafic light sequencer, car indicator
timer,demo addition program,
shutter door controler and a dalas DS 1990 interface
three for 16c71's

I think the book is not worth getting, it's old and out of touch


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1997\03\13@202636 by Matt Calder

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> > Richard Rosenheim <RemoveMErroseTakeThisOuTspamaccessnv.com> wrote:
> > Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
>
> I've read the first edition of the Gardner book... I thought it
> sucked.  He's written a second edition; I haven't seen it, but I
> -Andy

       These are such strong words, I feeled compelled to say in
Mr. Gardener's defense that the book is not that bad. I had a lot
of programming experience, modest microprocessor knowledge, and
some electronics when I first picked up the Gardener book and I
never felt that my intellegence was being insulted. Yes, it is a
bit basic, and perhaps a bit dated even but I enjoyed it. And most
importantly it is the only PIC book and one of the few 'project'
books available at the Tattered Cover bookstore in Denver (one of
the largest book stores in the US). My mother always said if I
didn't like her cooking I should start cooking and stop making
faces.

Matt

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1997\03\14@021200 by Tim Kerby

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I DO NOT like Gardner's book.  It is confusing at times and seem to me it
is more to remind an expert as a reference than start a beginner from
scratch.  I have Easy PIC'n on my lap at the moment.  I have just got it
and it is a breeze compared to Gardner's book.  I first got the databook, a
programmer and Gardner's book and I found it hard to learn from.  I then
learnt on a course I went on with a friend at a university (as part of a
school project).  Gardner's book was then a half decent reference but the
databook contains al the info.  I notice Gardner's book is mainly culled
from the databook with little of his own work.  The example code was mainly
not on the 16c84 which made conversion a pain.  Easy pic'n is on the 84, is
arranged logically and is as easy to understand as a school textbook.  It
also doesn't assume any real prior knowledge.  I do however like Gardner's
cookbooks.  They contain some useful circuits and subroutines but the code
ain't much good.  What use is a magnetic card reader where the data is read
in and the read was displayed as correct or incorrect.  The data was just
left!


Tim



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1997\03\14@024528 by Andrew Warren

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I wrote:

> I've read the first edition of the Gardner book... I thought it
> sucked.

and Matt Calder <TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> replied:

> These are such strong words, I feeled compelled to say in Mr.
> Gardener's defense that the book is not that bad. I had a lot of
> programming experience, modest microprocessor knowledge, and some
> electronics when I first picked up the Gardener book and I never
> felt that my intellegence was being insulted.

   The problem, Matt, is not that it's TOO basic, but that it's not
   basic ENOUGH.  Show it to someone who doesn't have "a lot of
   programming experience, modest microprocessor knowledge, and
   some electronics" and see what he or she thinks.

   Afterward, just for laughs, you might want to show Microchip's
   own databook and Embedded Control Handbook (available for free
   from your Microchip rep) to your beginner and see if he can find
   anything in the Gardner book that isn't also in the Microchip
   books.

> most importantly it is the only PIC book and one of the few
> 'project' books available at the Tattered Cover bookstore in
> Denver (one of the largest book stores in the US). My mother always
> said if I didn't like her cooking I should start cooking and stop
> making faces.

   Fortunately, Dave Benson didn't just "start cooking"; he wrote an
   excellent cookbook, instead.  It's called "Easy PIC'n" and is
   available from a number of sources, including the author.  It's
   the only book I recommend to beginning PIC programmers.

   The Tattered Cover is, as you say, one of the finest bookstores
   in the country... I'm sure that if you inform them of the
   existence of Dave's book, they'll order a batch from him.

   -Andy

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1997\03\14@033657 by tjaart

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Andrew Warren wrote:
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When I started out, I had the data book, and the embedded controller
handbook, nothing else (no prior micro experience). I don't even think
you need "PIC for dummies" type books for the PIC - its easy enough.
My first project was a PID motor controller and worked pretty well.

I feel that one should suffer a little bit in the beginning to develop
a way of thinking. Copying other's code teaches nothing. By not using
'standard' ways of debouncing keypads, I worked out a shorter method
that works much better than the 'standard' tecniques in a few days
after setting eyes on the databook for the first time.

Down with RTFM!

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1997\03\19@080306 by Jim Main

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In article <RemoveMEoYmuwAA579JzEwJJEraseMEspamEraseMElfheller.demon.co.uk>, Leon Heller
<RemoveMEleonspam_OUTspamKILLspamLFHELLER.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>In message <RemoveME199703131014.CAA18397TakeThisOuTspamspambighorn.accessnv.com>, Richard
>Rosenheim <EraseMErrosespamspamspamBeGoneACCESSNV.COM> writes
>>Has anyone read "A Beginners Guide to the Microchip PIC" by Nigel
>>Gardner?  Any comments?  Worth getting?
>>
>>I do have (and even have read) "Easy Pic 'n" from Square 1.  I was
>>just wondering if Mr. Gardner book was worthwhile too.
>
>If you've never done any programming in assembler and know nothing about
>microcontrollers you might find it useful. Otherwise, don't bother!

also, it's very expensive  - it's not really what you would call a
'book' it's a small ringbound notebook with a 3.5" disk (I think this is
partly the justification for the price) with MPASM etc on it, and the
source code examples.

I see from the latest Maplin catalogue that there's now a revised
edition - so cant comment on that.
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1997\03\19@082646 by peter

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Jim Main wrote:
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Thats the one I have, a waste of money .

And a special Thanks to the Manager of Maplin Woodgreen
for recomending such a useless book
to my wife.If I had wanted toilet paper
I would have sent here to Kwik-Save

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