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'Newbie - which PIC programmer'
1998\03\10@122501 by Brad Stockdale

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HEya everyone!

  Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:

       a) Parallax's PIC programmer
       b) Newfound's Warp-3
       c) Dontronic's DT100(?) (the SimmStick programmer)
       d) Wirz advanced package (with the dontronics DT100 programmer)

  Does anyone have any thoughts that could help me decide?? Any opinions
would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance everybody!
Brad Stockdale

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1998\03\10@183453 by Ron Kreymborg

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c worked well for me.

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Brad Stockdale wrote:
> HEya everyone!
>    Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
> should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:
>
>         a) Parallax's PIC programmer
>         b) Newfound's Warp-3
>         c) Dontronic's DT100(?) (the SimmStick programmer)
>         d) Wirz advanced package (with the dontronics DT100 programmer)
>
>    Does anyone have any thoughts that could help me decide?? Any opinions
> would be greatly appreciated!!!

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1998\03\11@123324 by SHAWN ELLIS

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> HEya everyone!
>
>    Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
> should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:
>
>         a) Parallax's PIC programmer
>         b) Newfound's Warp-3
>         c) Dontronic's DT100(?) (the SimmStick programmer)
>         d) Wirz advanced package (with the dontronics DT100 programmer)
>
>    Does anyone have any thoughts that could help me decide?? Any opinions
> would be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> Thanks in advance everybody!
> Brad Stockdale
>
I like the PICstart plus from microchip.  It supports more devices
than the others for the same price.  (It can do 17CXX AND 16CXX).

Or the PGM16N from Advanced Transdata.  Same story with their's
except it runs off a parallel port.

1998\03\11@135009 by Bart Addis

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> HEya everyone!
>
>    Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
> should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:
>
>         a) Parallax's PIC programmer
>         b) Newfound's Warp-3
>         c) Dontronic's DT100(?) (the SimmStick programmer)
>         d) Wirz advanced package (with the dontronics DT100 programmer)
>
>    Does anyone have any thoughts that could help me decide?? Any opinions
> would be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> Thanks in advance everybody!
> Brad Stockdale
>

My (overpriced) $0.02:

For prototyping, I use the "Micro-bRISC" development programmer from
Electro-Kenetics:

     Electro-Kenetics
     2088 Swamp Road
     Richmond, MA 01254-9338
     (413) 698-3167

     e-mail:    .....kenneth.pergolaKILLspamspam@spam@circellar.com

I don't think he has a website.  The programmer connects to the parallel
port, and is WICKED FAST.  It programs an 8K part (16c77) in ... lets see
... 8 seconds, including a verify at Vdd!  One of the things that makes it
(and many other programmers on the market) a development (as opposed to
production) programmer is that it does not verify at VddMin and VddMax (3.0
and 6.0 volts for the 16LC74a, I think).

The real reason I'd recommend this product is that Mr Pergola turned around
a change for me (to program the 16c77) IN 48 HOURS.  Granted, this was an
easy change, but Logical Devices was going to wait 3 months!

Email or call Mr Pergola for the latest details, but a short check of the
menu (version 3.3) says he supports the following devices: 14000,
16c55{4,6,8} 16c62{0,1,2}, 16c64{1,2}, 16c66{1,2},
16c6{1,2,2a,3,4,4a,5,5a,6,7}, 16c7{1,10,15,2,3,3a,4,4a,6,7}, 16F{83,84},
16CR{83,84}, 16C84, 16C822, and (whew!) 16c92{3,4}.  He has brought all of
the programming signals out to an rj-45 connector so you can rig this for
in-circuit-programming or odd packages on your own.

For production we use a custom designed in-circuit gang programmer.  We
program calibration data into each part, so we can't get by with a static
.hex file, and needed to design icp into the calibration hardware.

Bart


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1998\03\11@143303 by Dan Walkowski

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At 01:49 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> HEya everyone!
>>
>>    Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
>> should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:


Ok, I've been sitting by the sidelines for weeks, seeing this question get
asked again and again.  "Which programmer should I buy?"
A variety of answers is given, for many different brands of third-party
programmers, ranging in price, it seems, from ~$40 to ~$200.  Each of them
has benefits and flaws, many of them only program certain part numbers, etc.

So here is my question:  Why doesn't anyone mention or recommend the
PicStart+?!
It is $149, which is cheaper than some of the less-capable third party
programmers, it programs ALL PIC's, (except the 17 series, unless you have
an adaptor), it can be used on a Mac or a PC (unlike parallel programmers),
it is very reliable, and has support from Microchip.
Unless you are trying not to spend more than $50, or don't care about
programming anything except an 84, it seems like the obvious choice.

What is up with you people? :)

Dan

1998\03\11@181608 by Orin Eman

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> So here is my question:  Why doesn't anyone mention or recommend the
> PicStart+?!
> It is $149, which is cheaper than some of the less-capable third party

It's now $200.  That was a temporary special price.

> programmers, it programs ALL PIC's, (except the 17 series, unless you have
> an adaptor), it can be used on a Mac or a PC (unlike parallel programmers),
> it is very reliable, and has support from Microchip.

Reliable?  Won't program 16C73s for me whereas ITU Tech programmer will.

> Unless you are trying not to spend more than $50, or don't care about
> programming anything except an 84, it seems like the obvious choice.

Why spend the $200 when $50 will do?

Orin.

1998\03\11@184427 by n/a

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Dan Walkowski wrote:
>
> At 01:49 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >> HEya everyone!
> >>
> >>    Well, I have yet another decision to make: which PIC programmer/package
> >> should I buy? The ones that I have looked seriously at are:

       [...deleted...]

> So here is my question:  Why doesn't anyone mention or recommend the
> PicStart+?!
> It is $149, which is cheaper than some of the less-capable third party
> programmers, it programs ALL PIC's, (except the 17 series, unless you have
> an adaptor), it can be used on a Mac or a PC (unlike parallel programmers),
> it is very reliable, and has support from Microchip.

Well from what I hear on the list it's no longer $149US. But other than
that
I think it works (The only chip I've worked with so far is the 16C84).
Is it
true that it can't program a 17Cxx chip? My documentation says it can
and I
hope it's right. Becasue as soon as I order the 17C44 I'm going to
program
it to upgrade the PICStart+.

> What is up with you people? :)

Oh things are fine here, though it has gotten a bit cold.... What's up
with
you? ;-} (Help I fallen and can't get up)

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1998\03\11@211555 by AllanJH

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In a message dated 98-03-11 14:33:24 EST, you write:

<< So here is my question:  Why doesn't anyone mention or recommend the
PicStart+?!
It is $149, which is cheaper than some of the less-capable third party
programmers, it programs ALL PIC's, (except the 17 series, unless you have
an adaptor), it can be used on a Mac or a PC (unlike parallel programmers),
it is very reliable, and has support from Microchip.
Unless you are trying not to spend more than $50, or don't care about
programming anything except an 84, it seems like the obvious choice.

What is up with you people? :)

Dan >>

Dan,

I think "support" needs clarified here, according to my Microchip rep they
will not support using the picstart+ in a "production" enviroment.  Reason I
was given is because of the way picstart+ verifies programming at at what
voltages is used.  So, if you are using picstart+ to program chips in machines
you sell, then have problems with the chip and it's because of the programmer,
Microchip will tell you to use Promate II because it verifies and re-verifies
if the chip is programmed correctly by varying the voltages.
If your only programming chips for development/hobby reasons, then I would
agree to use the picstart+.   I would not use the picstart+ in a production
enviroment.
Just my thoughts......

Allan
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1998\03\11@211605 by Ken Pergola

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Bart Addis wrote:

> For prototyping, I use the "Micro-bRISC" development programmer from
> Electro-Kenetics:
>
>       Electro-Kenetics
>       2088 Swamp Road
>       Richmond, MA 01254-9338
>       (413) 698-3167
>
>       e-mail:    kenneth.pergolaspamspam_OUTcircellar.com




The new e-mail address is:   @spam@keneticKILLspamspamvgernet.net

Sorry for any confusion.



Ken Pergola
Electro-Kenetics
2088 Swamp Road
Richmond, MA 01254-9338
USA

Micro-bRISC Device Programmer
"Brisk programming of RISC microcontrollers"

1998\03\12@114232 by andre

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Hi Dan.
you mentioned to program 17 series you need an adapter.
when I updated picstart+ firmware  I programmed 17c44JW  on it
without an adapter. Picstart+ is very good programing device by MICROCHIP.
Always worked for me very well.

Andre Abelian


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