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'Finding a beginners PIC programmer'
1999\12\09@064844 by Craig Peacock

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Steven,

> I have got to agree with all the comments about the PicStart Plus,
> That was the main reason I choose the warp 13 programmer
> (PicStart Plus compatible) so I can work within mplab
> or with it's own free software, which works very well.

I agree with Peter. I'm also another Warp-13 user, choosing this
particular programmer because it's compatible with MPLAB, emulating the
PIC Start Plus. It was also cheaper, (Jim quotes a saving of 60% over a
PIC Start Plus) which makes it more attractive to the hobbyist on a
tight budget.

What Peter forgot to say was the Warp-13 is available from Newfound
Electronics - http://www.new-elect.com/

Regards,

Craig Peacock

1999\12\09@081702 by Octavio Nogueira

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Warp-13 is not 100% compatible with PicStart Plus!!!
It can not program 16C5X neither 17CXX whole family!

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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spam_OUTnogueiraTakeThisOuTspampropic2.com                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
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De: Craig Peacock <.....Craig.PeacockKILLspamspam@spam@SENET.COM.AU>
Para: <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviada em: Quinta-feira, Dezembro 09, 1999 09:23
Assunto: Re: Finding a beginners PIC programmer


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1999\12\09@215355 by Jim Robertson

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At 11:16 9/12/99 -0200, you wrote:
>Warp-13 is not 100% compatible with PicStart Plus!!!
>It can not program 16C5X neither 17CXX whole family!
>
>Friendly Regards
>
>Octavio Nogueira

True the WARP-13 is not spec'ed to program the 17Cxx
family but it does program ALL the 16C5x family, and
even supports the 18Cxxx and 16HV540 parts.

The WARP-13 is 100% compatible with the picstart plus
other than this. If 17Cxxx family support is required
then there is the PRIME-17 programmer option.

BTW I Those people who bought the MPLAB upgrade for your
propic II didn't seem to complain about the lack of
16C5x and 17Cxx and 18Cxxx support of your programmer.

BTW II, The warp-13 is an original clean room design, not a
direct ripoff from what either David Tait or Microchip
did. ;-)

Friendlier Regards,

Jim


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Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS
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http://www.new-elect.com
MPLAB compatible PIC programmers.
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1999\12\10@044434 by Peter

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The operative word is 'beginner'. Why should 8MB of program called MPLAB be
dumped on a beginner? How many people are put off when told they must d/l a
program about the same size as IE5 in order to 'begin' a possible hobby.

My Kit 81 has its own assembler (Manning) specifically written for the
PIC16F84. There are no other PICs or 8MB of code options to
confuse/intimidate the beginner.

The programmer software is the free proven software of P16PRO Lite,
specifically for the 16F84.

The latest version of this pcb now shipping (K81V4 photo on my website) has
the test socket and 5 LEDs so the beginner can immediately see that his
first program has been a success. To me this is what a beginner need -
simple tools and reinforcement to build confidence.

Jaycar in Australia are now selling about 100 per month of my Kit 81.

Kit 81 to me is a 'beginners' programmer.


2. THEN after finding their feet they can assess PIC's other than the 16F84
and thus look at other programmers and d/l the required fully featured MPLAB.
regards,

Peter Crowcroft
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1999\12\10@081428 by Octavio Nogueira

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I just don't want to start a 'mine if better than yours'
discussion here, but try at least to put your programmer
in a case to make them more professional!

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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RemoveMEnogueiraTakeThisOuTspampropic2.com                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
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De: Jim Robertson <spamBeGonenewfoundspamBeGonespamPIPELINE.COM.AU>
Para: <TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviada em: Quinta-feira, Dezembro 09, 1999 12:32
Assunto: Re: Finding a beginners PIC programmer


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1999\12\10@095443 by James Paul

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All,

Just as an FYI, you don't have to download anything at all.
Just talk to you Microchip disty in your area, or contact
Microchip directly and ask for their CD.  It has MPLAB on it,
as well as all the Ap-Notes and data sheets.  It is basically
an image of their website, so if you can navigate one, you can
navigate the other as well.  Beats downloading a large file.
And you alway have the data ready and at your fingertips.

                                            Regards,

                                              Jim



On Fri, 10 December 1999, Peter wrote:

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1999\12\10@101327 by Terry A. Steen

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You don't even need to do that... just leave them an email at their
website, tell them you want one, and they'll trickle it down to your
distributor. You can also ask for samples, and if you say you have an ap
that may sell, you'll get them to you also (OTPs though).


At 06:54 AM 12/10/99 -0800, James Paul wrote:
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1999\12\10@101738 by James Paul

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Yes, thats what I meant when I said contact them directly was
to leave a message at their website.

                                            Regards,

                                              Jim


On Fri, 10 December 1999, "Terry A. Steen" wrote:

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1999\12\11@003232 by Jim Robertson

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At 11:11 10/12/99 -0200, you wrote:
>I just don't want to start a 'mine if better than yours'
>discussion here, but try at least to put your programmer
>in a case to make them more professional!

And you can try checking your facts BEFORE commenting on
someone else's efforts. It only takes a few mouse clicks...


Jim



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Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS
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Email: TakeThisOuTnewfoundspamspampipeline.com.au
http://www.new-elect.com
MPLAB compatible PIC programmers.
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1999\12\12@111943 by Ann & David Scott

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I've had very good success with the following setup:
(I wanted good flexibility of parts programmablity at lowest possible cost.)

Hardware:  Kit 96 from http://kitsrus.com
This programs a wide variety of parts and was $14.95 from Amazon Electronics
(US).  I did have to purchase a ZIF socket but that was only $9 from DigiKey
(A302-ND).  You'll also need an AC adapter (wallwart) and parallel cable.

Software:  P16PRO
Programs most PICs.  DOS version is only $20.  30 day trial version
available.  I make the DOS part easier to do with batch files and use MPLAB.

This seems to me to be a good entry-level system to PICs.  Easy success the
one time I've used it to program a 12C509AJW.  Can anybody tell me how I
have limited myself?  Thanks.

BTW - I like the green PCB.  Where can I get green copper clad boards for my
projects?

Friendly regards and happy new year from here too!
Dave Scott

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