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'Anti Anti electronic warfare warfare'
2003\04\04@085010 by John Ferrell

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I cannot think of an easier target than one that transmits a signal.
The only practical purpose of live signal source would be to make an
adversary waste munitions destroying it...

Of course one would have to consider if the moving GPS jamming signal might
be more useful to track an adversary in real time...

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2003\04\04@085557 by Jake Anderson

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yes but my jammer costs $20 in parts and you have to fly a 20million dollar
plane out and drop a $500 000 bomb on it when that plane and bomb could have
been better spent on other targets.

and in the mean time your troops are basically lost or at least seriously
disadvantaged

GPS spoofing is another matter entirley
if i can tell your bomb that it isnt where it thinks it is i win in a much
better way
same goes for your soldiers

(uhhh for the nutters out there "mine" and "yours" in this email are
intended to make explination of the concept easier not actually to indicate
support for either side)

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2003\04\04@091759 by John Ferrell

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I agree.
War is a game of resource management. Making your adversary trade rooks for
pawns is usually good strategy.

John Ferrell
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2003\04\04@105128 by Russell McMahon

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> I cannot think of an easier target than one that transmits a signal.
> The only practical purpose of live signal source would be to make an
> adversary waste munitions destroying it...

The signal CAN be (but probably isn't) spreadpectrum and low level,
requiring a custom receiver (which they have probably got). A HARM type
missile could be assigned to this task but a GPS guided one may not work :-)

> Of course one would have to consider if the moving GPS jamming signal
might
> be more useful to track an adversary in real time...

A significant number mounted on miscellaneous vehicles (possibly with a
manual panic button :-( ) may cause substantial disruption.


       RM

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2003\04\04@132417 by Wagner Lipnharski

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John Ferrell wrote:
> I agree.
> War is a game of resource management. Making your adversary trade
> rooks for pawns is usually good strategy.

One should never forget that IF one opponent can produce as many ROOKS as
he wants, using his OWN money, producing it in his OWN country -
factories - material and manpower, it will MOVE more money and create MORE
jobs, IMPROVE his economy and his factories, cycle his TAXES speed, PROMOTE
his technology development and more.

Sometimes it is a good business to trade the 6 adversaries only PAWNS by 20
of your own ROOKS, mostly when you can produce other thousand ROOKS if
necessary.

One should never forget that when you expend 60 billion dollars in his own
country, it means exactly 60 billion dollars in motion money, not a single
coin wasted.

That's the same old story of two guys in a Vegas Casino.  One is
millionaire, the other is a common guy who makes $2000/month with a bank
account with an average balance of $200 and $20k in credit card debits.
Both guys went to the casino, after 4 hours both get out, smiling.  The
common guy is happy because he enjoyed playing cards, did it for 4 hours,
and after all yet made $100 in profit.  The millionaire also enjoy playing
cards, he is also happy because he did it for 4 hours and at this time he
LOST only $50 thousand dollars at the casino.  The common guy could say he
"worked" 4 hours at $25/hour, the millionaire could say his factories gave
him $600 thousand dollars during those 4 hours, so he made $550 thousand
profit during the 4 hours at the casino.  Everything is a point of view.

Wagner

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2003\04\04@132802 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Russell McMahon wrote:
> GPS jamming in active use, as predicted.
> I'd be surprised if they only had 6.
> Ideally these should be on the move. They can be very cheap and do
> not need to be stable or stationary.
> The fact that they are targetting them suggests that they were
> achieving the desired affects.


GPS Jammers were hit with GPS guided bombs...
sooo... they were not effective,
the destruction was just a prevention.

Bacteria in your hands can't kill you,
but you always wash your hands before eating, don't you?

Wagner.

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2003\04\06@095352 by John Ferrell

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Yes!
Most man made games have pretty simple boundries compared to real life.
While the Vegas scenario can become a relitively harmless recreation for
both parties,
it is important to note that no one is subjected to conditions beyond their
individual tolerences.

Now that the Cold war game is mostly behind us, it becomes visible that it
served the purpose of
driving the involved countries economies.

The Space Race was another such game.

Each PIC project you design is also a resource management game. Your common
parameters are
time, money, parts availability, pin count, memory constraints, power
requirements and (blush!) personal limitations...

PIC'n, Chess, video games and war are all games of resource management...

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