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'[TECH] source for single wavelength color gel filt'
2008\08\31@070510 by Forrest W Christian

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I am working on a presentation related to a RF technology.   As part of
this, I'd like to purchase some sheets of transparent color filters
which are of different colors to provide the audience with a visual
impression of how filtering and/or frequency selection works.   That is,
I would like to be able to give the audience several different filters
of the same basic color - for instance, several different green filters
which would differ in their peak transmission wavelength -say every 20nm
from 500 to 560nm.   Then I would provide a light source of the same
wavelength of light as one of the filters and show how a filter cuts out
much of the light energy outside it's bandpass.   (I.E. a 520 nm filter
cuts out some at 540nm, more at 560, and even more at 580 or 600 or beyond)

Having some A/V background, I figured I'd just go and get some color
gels of different colors - but looking at the transmission charts of
commonly available gels makes me realize that most of the gels available
are just like paint colors - that is, a mixture of multiple wavelengths
and it's not going to be easy to find a set that will work for my
application.  Note I didn't say impossible, since it looks like I might
be able to come up with a suitable set color-wise.   However, getting a
balanced set where the transmissivity on each color is consistent across
the filter set is even going to add to the complexity (and *may* be
impossible).

So before I spent hours and hours trying to come up with an appropriate
set of commonly available filters, I figured I'd also look around and
see if someone made a set of gels which were optimized for light
filtering and weren't that bad cost wise.    I have come up with a
couple of sources, but most of them are typical red/green/blue filters -
which would probably work, but I'd really like to be able to .   So far,
nothing which will fit my application neatly.

What I'd like to find is someone who makes fairly inexpensive gels which
are available in different colors which correspond to say every 20nm of
the light spectrum, and which are fairly consistent in transmission and
"bandwidth".

Ideas?

-forrest

2008\08\31@085626 by cdb

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:: As part of
:: this, I'd like to purchase some sheets of transparent color filters
:: which are of different colors to provide the audience with a visual
:: impression of how filtering and/or frequency selection works.

Gel filters - look at a photographic shop that is an Ilford or Hoya
agent, or a professional film and video outlet.  There are a couple of
suppliers who have an Ebay shop.

In the UK - Jessops,  Bentleys photographic hire,  Australia
Photocontinental, FSTOP, VideoPro

stores.ebay.com.au/The-Par-Can-Shop_W0QQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2e
l1247

and many others.

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2008\08\31@095954 by Sean Breheny

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Hi Forrest,

I think that you will have better luck with other types of filters.
Try looking for interference filters. These can easily have very sharp
responses since they work by diffraction, not the
absorption/transmission spectrum of chemicals. Their biggest
disadvantage is that they only work properly when the light going
through them is within a certain range of angles relative to the
surfaces of the filter.

You may also be able to find very sharp filters in laser safety
glasses. Sometimes these are intended for one particular laser
wavelength and they will pass the light from one red laser and not
from another - even though those two lasers look identical to the
naked eye.

Sean


On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Forrest W Christian <.....forrestcKILLspamspam@spam@imach.com> wrote:
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2008\08\31@111432 by Josh Koffman

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On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Forrest W Christian <forrestcspamKILLspamimach.com> wrote:
> Having some A/V background, I figured I'd just go and get some color
> gels of different colors - but looking at the transmission charts of
> commonly available gels makes me realize that most of the gels available
> are just like paint colors - that is, a mixture of multiple wavelengths
> and it's not going to be easy to find a set that will work for my
> application.  Note I didn't say impossible, since it looks like I might
> be able to come up with a suitable set color-wise.   However, getting a
> balanced set where the transmissivity on each color is consistent across
> the filter set is even going to add to the complexity (and *may* be
> impossible).

You might have more luck with dichroic glass filters. I believe some
of the major gel manufacturers also have dichroic lines. Check out
Rosco, Lee Filters, and GAM. You might have more luck with some sort
of photographic filter though,  I'm guessing the dichroics aimed at
the entertainment industry will have the same problems as you've
discovered with plastic gel.

Hope that helps!

Josh
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'[TECH] source for single wavelength color gel filt'
2008\09\02@072150 by Vitaliy
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Forrest W Christian wrote:
> What I'd like to find is someone who makes fairly inexpensive gels which
> are available in different colors which correspond to say every 20nm of
> the light spectrum, and which are fairly consistent in transmission and
> "bandwidth".
>
> Ideas?

Last weekend my brother and I stopped by the Lowell observatory in
Flagstaff. One of the exhibits was a light pollution filters which was
effective against narrow-band light sources (low pressure sodium, IIRC).
Search for "light pollution filter" on Google.

But the first thing that came to mind, was a setup with two prisms and a
piece of cardboard with a cutout for a filter. May not be as good at getting
your point across, though.

Vitaliy

2008\09\08@151620 by Vitaliy

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Out of the blue, received a catalog from Edmund Optics in the mail. Chances
are, they have the type of filters you need:

http://www.edmundoptics.com/onlinecatalog/browse.cfm?categoryid=41

Not cheap.

2008\09\08@192454 by David Challis

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Try anchor optics. http://www.anchoroptics.com/

They are the "commercial / lower cost" outlet for Edmund optics.

Dave Challis

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