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2006\01\13@112316 by Dwayne Reid

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Good day to all.

I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers.  Came
across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120"  Item
number: 7568918192
 <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/7568918192_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfposZT5SQ201K8QQfromZR6QQfrppZ200QQfsclZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1>

But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer.

Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48)
so I can't take advantage of this.  But I figured I'd mention it on
the list for those US piclisters who can.

As usual - no affiliation with the seller.  I'm not even sure that I
wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to
Canadians - but what the heck:  some of my US piclist friends might
be able to take advantage of this.

dwayne

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2006\01\13@121227 by Howard Winter

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Dwayne,

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:23:14 -0700, Dwayne Reid wrote:

> Good day to all.
>
> I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers.  Came
> across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120"  Item
> number: 7568918192
>...
> But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer.

The thing to watch out for is that it's the PG164120, not DV164120 (confusing numbering scheme, or what? :-)
which means it's just the PICkit2, without the demo-board, which makes it very much less useful.  I'm not sure
what the US price of this is, but it doesn't look like a terribly good bargain to me.

> Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48)
> so I can't take advantage of this.  But I figured I'd mention it on
> the list for those US piclisters who can.

This happens a lot, believe me!  I have friends in the USA and sometimes when this happens I ask the seller if
they will send to a US address even though I'm not there - about a third of them won't, which rather suggests
that they don't trust anyone from outside the US...

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\01\13@123210 by alan smith

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I haven't paid much attention to the PICKIT2, but from the doc's it appears to have a 6 pin connector.  So is this just a programmer or does it act like an ICD?  I've got one of my ICD2's lent to a client so he can dump to the target board when I send code....be cheaper and easier if he had this I guess...or at least I could have my ICD2 back.

Dwayne Reid <.....dwaynerKILLspamspam@spam@planet.eon.net> wrote:  Good day to all.

I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came
across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item
number: 7568918192


But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer.

Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48)
so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on
the list for those US piclisters who can.

As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I
wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to
Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might
be able to take advantage of this.

dwayne

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2006\01\13@123443 by Jon Philpott

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I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to
get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault. I've built
a few circuits on some pcboard, but haven't had any success
programming a bunch of different controllers (the pickit software
either says unsupported device or no device inserted). Does anyone
have a schematic for a simple circuit i can use to program a device from
the icsp header from the pickit? the circuits i built followed the Low Pin
Count demo board schematic to no avail. So given all that, I'm not sure
if its the PK2 or my boards thats the problem!

Jon.

Dwayne Reid wrote:

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2006\01\13@125306 by John Hansen

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A few weeks ago I purchased a PicKit II because I'm planning to use it
teach a course in Embedded Programming this Spring.  I bought the
version that does not have the project board (just the programmer)
because I want my students to have some experience actually working with
hardware rather than writing code for circuits that have already been
built (they are CS majors, not EE's).  I've used the PicKit 1 in the
past for this course, but the PicKit 2 is a lot better.  It supports a
much wider range of chips (even the 16F628A, and some 18 series!).  The
interface is quite simple... you only need 5 pins, not 6, and they hook
up in the usual way (MCLR, Data, Clock, GND, and V+).  I connect it to a
breadboard by using a 5 pin right angle header... it plugs right in.  
Like the ICD-2, the programmer can power the circuit, so you don't have
to have a separate power supply for your project.  At $35 it makes a
pretty decent starter programmer.  There are two drawbacks:

1. It does not have ICD functionality.  For my own work I'll stick to
the ICD-2.

2. Currently it is not supported directly in MPLAB.  You have to run a
separate application in a separate window.  This was the way that PicKit
1 started out until they built support for it in MPLAB.  I suspect that
they'll do this with PicKit 2 in a future version of MPLAB.  As it is,
this is not as big a problem as it might seem because when you program a
chip, it first looks to see if the .HEX file has been loaded and then
reloads it automatically if it's been changed.

On the whole, it's well worth the money, unless you are willing to
spring for the ICD-2.

John Hansen


Jon Philpott wrote:

>I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to
>get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault.
>


2006\01\13@130043 by Howard Winter

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Alan,

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:32:09 -0800 (PST), alan smith wrote:

> I haven't paid much attention to the PICKIT2, but from the doc's it appears to have a 6 pin connector.  So
is this just a programmer or does it act like an ICD?  I've got one of my ICD2's lent to a client so he can
dump to the target board when I send code....be cheaper and easier if he had this I guess...or at least I
could have my ICD2 back.

At the moment it's just an ICSProgrammer, and you have to use the specific software for it - you won't find it
in MPLAB... yet!  This happened with the PICkit-1 as well, originally it wasn't in MPLAB but it was added
later, and Microchip have said that the -2 will be added before long too.

I suspect that even then it will remain just a programmer, though.  The chips it works with are all the new
generation 8/14/20 pin types, like the 683, 684, 688 and 690 (the latter being a 20-pin device, handy for
those projects where 18 is just too few and there isn't room for 28).

Although just a programmer it can supply the target with power, and using the "demo" board that optionally
comes with it makes the pair a nice compact "program and test" setup, with the PICkit-2 powering the demo
board, with just the USB cable connected.

An aside...

At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip
employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap.  So far a practical reason for doing this
eludes me!  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\01\13@131302 by William Couture

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On 1/13/06, Howard Winter <HDRWspamKILLspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip
> employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap.  So far a practical reason for doing this
> eludes me!  :-)

Geek Bling-Bling

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2006\01\13@131843 by Mark Rages

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On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <.....jon.philpottKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to
> get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault. I've built
> a few circuits on some pcboard, but haven't had any success
> programming a bunch of different controllers (the pickit software
> either says unsupported device or no device inserted). Does anyone
> have a schematic for a simple circuit i can use to program a device from
> the icsp header from the pickit? the circuits i built followed the Low Pin
> Count demo board schematic to no avail. So given all that, I'm not sure
> if its the PK2 or my boards thats the problem!
>
> Jon.
>

I just use a solderless bradboard with five wires connecting to the
PICkit 2.  Works fine for programming.  Once you start to build a
circuit around it you'll want to add some bypass caps.

The PICkit 2 is interesting in that the firmware and programming
software is open-source.  And the included hardware is a capable of a
lot more beyond a simple programmer.  I invite anyone who's interested
in PICkit development to subscribe to
http://groups.google.com/group/pickit-devel.

Regards,
Mark
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2006\01\13@132235 by Mark Rages

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On 1/13/06, William Couture <EraseMEbcouturespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/13/06, Howard Winter <HDRWspamspam_OUTh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip
> > employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap.  So far a practical reason for doing this
> > eludes me!  :-)
>
> Geek Bling-Bling
>
> Bill
>

I believe someone over there had ported the programming software to a
PDA... because you never know when there will be a call for PIC
programming!

Note, the PICkit 2 has a switch and enough eeprom inside to act as a
standalone programmer, but AFAIK the firmware to do standalone
programming hasn't been developed yet.

Regards,
Mark
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2006\01\13@133146 by olin piclist

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Howard Winter wrote:
> At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and
> apparently the more geeky Microchip employees walk round with a
> PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap.  So far a practical reason for doing
> this eludes me!  :-)

Probably because hanging it elsewhere gets in the way more.

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2006\01\13@135245 by Jon Philpott

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Mark Rages wrote:

>I just use a solderless bradboard with five wires connecting to the
>PICkit 2.  Works fine for programming.  Once you start to build a
>circuit around it you'll want to add some bypass caps.
>
>  
>
Are the 5 wires wired directly to pic? with no other components? Since
im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to
which pins on an 18pin pic?

2006\01\13@135920 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <@spam@200601131800.k0DI0gqx006206KILLspamspamfort-point-station.mit.edu>>          "Howard Winter" <KILLspamHDRWKILLspamspamH2Org.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip
> employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap.  So far a practical reason for doing this
> eludes me!  :-)

Same reason I have my Crucial Gizmo USB pendrive and a Dallas DS1490F "2-in-1
iButton USB keyfob" hanging from neckstraps I imagine. "Geek bling-bling,
yo?"

That and it saves having to nip back to your desk to grab a programmer when
someone (inevitably) asks to borrow one...

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2006\01\13@145350 by Mark Rages

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On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <spamBeGonejon.philpottspamBeGonespamgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> Are the 5 wires wired directly to pic?

yes

> with no other components?

yes.  But keep the wires short (a few inches) so you don't need bypass
capacitors.

> Since im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to
> which pins on an 18pin pic?
>

No, but if you tell us which pins you've hooked up, we'll let you know
where you went wrong.

Regards,
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2006\01\13@152230 by Jon Philpott

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Mark Rages wrote:

>>Since im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to
>>which pins on an 18pin pic?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>No, but if you tell us which pins you've hooked up, we'll let you know
>where you went wrong.
>  
>
Ok, I just tried building another board with the following wiring:

ICSP   -   PIC16F84A
1         -   4
2         -   14
3         -   5
4         -   13
5         -   12
6         -   NC

Still no success, PK2 says Unsupported Device with User ID: 0x7F7F7F7F
and CheckSum 0x419A. If i try it with a 16F628A it says device not
present, same with a 18F1320.

Jon.


2006\01\13@153526 by Danny Sauer

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Dwayne wrote regarding '[PIC] discounted PICKIT2 programmers' on Fri, Jan 13 at 10:26:
> Good day to all.
>
> I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers.  Came

FYI (and a bit off-topic), all you need from that URL is
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192
the rest is just session tracking junk.  It's not a huge deal, but
some mail programs break up long URLs, making them a pain to paste /
click on.  I'm a big fan of taking a few seconds to try to figure out
if I can shorten a URL up without having to resort to tinyurl.com...
:)

--Danny

2006\01\13@154056 by Mark Rages

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On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <TakeThisOuTjon.philpottEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
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Your pin assignments are correct.

I assume you're using the Microchip software.

The supported devices list doesn't include the 16F84A:

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en023805

and the 16F628A and 18F parts were added in firmware V1.10, which came
out last month.  So make sure you update firmware to V1.10 and get the
latest software from microchip.com.

Regards,
Mark
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2006\01\13@155904 by Chetan Bhargava

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Pretty bad deal!

Ebay:
Price 25.00
Shipping $14.51
Total 39.51
As-is, no returns, no warranty

buy.microchip.com:
Price: 34.99
Shipping: 9.50
Total:44.49
Complete satisfaction that you are buying from microchip direct!

Difference:
$44.49-$39.51=$4.98

Is it worth it? You do the math :-)



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2006\01\13@162449 by Keith

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Shipping of $14.51 !!!!
8-|

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2006\01\13@171732 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <EraseMEf95b29100601131259u73c67387w604bab500668c715spamspamspamBeGonemail.gmail.com>>          Chetan Bhargava <RemoveMEcbhargavaKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:

> buy.microchip.com:
> Price: 34.99
> Shipping: 9.50
> Total:44.49
> Complete satisfaction that you are buying from microchip direct!

uk.farnell.com: PICkit2 Programmer (order code 984-7170)   PG164120
Price: £20.23
VAT:   £ 3.54
P&P:   £ 0.00 [P&P = Post and Packing = "shipping"]
Total: £23.77

That's just for the programmer. If you want the demoboard too...

uk.farnell.com: PICkit2 Starter Kit (order code 984-7162)  DV164120
Price: £28.90
VAT:   £ 5.06
P&P:   £ 0.00
Total: £33.96

Not bad for what it is, but not really something I'd use - I've got an ICD2.
If someone tweaked the firmware, it would make a nice little field-upgrade
pod. That said, a good few repair engineers seem to carry laptops these days,
so I guess self contained programmers aren't as important as they once
were...

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2006\01\13@185207 by Dwayne Reid

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At 01:59 PM 1/13/2006, Chetan Bhargava wrote:
>Pretty bad deal!
>
>Ebay:
>Price 25.00
>Shipping $14.51
>Total 39.51
>As-is, no returns, no warranty

I was going to offer them US$20 each for two units, using the "submit
best offer" button.

I hadn't yet gotten to shipping costs but my preferred shipping
method is USPS Global Priority Flat Rate Envelope.  A pair of these
programmers will fit quite nicely into the small envelope (US$4.00)

Had they gone for it, I would have been looking at around US$44 for 2
units, plus 7% GST (national tax) plus Can$5.00 Canada Post handling charge.

Based on those numbers - definitely worth it!

dwayne

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2006\01\13@215814 by Jon Philpott

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Mark Rages wrote:

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*Embarrased*, upgraded all the software, and now it works.. thanks for
pointing out the obvious to someone who couldn't see the wood for all
the trees!

2006\01\14@074809 by Aaron

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Howard,

On 1/13/06, Howard Winter <EraseMEHDRWspamEraseMEh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:23:14 -0700, Dwayne Reid wrote:
>
> > Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48)
> > so I can't take advantage of this.  But I figured I'd mention it on
> > the list for those US piclisters who can.
>
> This happens a lot, believe me!  I have friends in the USA and sometimes
> when this happens I ask the seller if they will send to a US address even
> though I'm not there - about a third of them won't, which rather suggests
> that they don't trust anyone from outside the US...


Well, assuming you use Paypal...Paypal has a policy that the seller is only
'protected' if they ship to the (confirmed?) address on the transaction
details page.  Maybe you could add another address to your paypal account?

Aaron

2006\01\14@084359 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Aaron wrote :

> Well, assuming you use Paypal...Paypal has a policy that the
> seller is only 'protected' if they ship to the (confirmed?)
> address on the transaction details page.  Maybe you could
> add another address to your paypal account?

Hi.

I've bought a lot of stuff from the US shipped to Sweden.

I usualy have no problem to get stuff shipped here when
asking "US-only" sellers. The main points, as far as I've
found out are :

1. I explain that I *only* pay using founds on my PayPal
  acount. Never "CC-founded", that I know that most
  US based sellers conciders as a potential (intl.) problem.

2. I ask them to check my excellent 100% positive 3 year
  old eBay feedback. :-)

3. I clearly state that I take the full risk of loosing
  something in the mail. I've so far not lost anything,
  either using airmail or surface mail.

Then I've usualy have no problem buying from anyone on eBay.

Regards,
Jan-Erik.



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