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'[PIC] Question about IP stack'
2006\02\23@084118 by Xiaofan Chen

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Add the [PIC] tag.

On 2/23/06, Will <spam_OUTkerri1111111TakeThisOuTspambtinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I want to make a pic as a web server, nothing complicated, may
> even not need an eeprom. My only question is about the ethernet
> controller. I understand I need to use RTL8019, is thee a DIP
> socket version of it since I have no access to board manufacture?
> If not, what are my alternatives?
> thanks.

2006\02\23@091433 by palam.c

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On 2/23/06, Xiaofan Chen <.....xiaofancKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Add the [PIC] tag.
> On 2/23/06, Will <kerri1111111spamKILLspambtinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I understand I need to use RTL8019, is thee a DIP
> > socket version of it since I have no access to board manufacture?
> > If not, what are my alternatives?


One of the alternative is Microchip ENC28J60 and
it is available in SPDIP package.

-palani

2006\02\23@091714 by Shawn Tan

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> On 2/23/06, Will <.....kerri1111111KILLspamspam.....btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I want to make a pic as a web server, nothing complicated, may
> > even not need an eeprom. My only question is about the ethernet
> > controller. I understand I need to use RTL8019, is thee a DIP
> > socket version of it since I have no access to board manufacture?
> > If not, what are my alternatives?
> > thanks.

it doesn't come in a DIP.. however, you do have several alternatives.. one of
which is the new microchip ENC28J60.. alternatively, you can use one of the
many ethernet-uart modules available.. some come in DIP-like sizes..

cheers..

with metta,
shawn tan.

2006\02\23@093522 by Marcel van Lieshout

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This might also be a (hobbyist) option:

http://picnic.sourceforge.net/

Marcel

2006\02\23@094510 by Howard Winter

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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:44:32 +0530, palam.c wrote:

> On 2/23/06, Xiaofan Chen <EraseMExiaofancspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> > Add the [PIC] tag.
> > On 2/23/06, Will <kerri1111111spamspam_OUTbtinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > I understand I need to use RTL8019, is thee a DIP
> > > socket version of it since I have no access to board manufacture?
> > > If not, what are my alternatives?
>
>
> One of the alternative is Microchip ENC28J60 and
> it is available in SPDIP package.

And it's now available on a PICtail daughter-board, which can be connected to a few of the Development boards  
(it needs a PIC18 to run the TCP/IP stack, so although it has a PICtail connector, the PICkit1 is not one of
the few!).  Part number is AC164121.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\02\23@155640 by Will

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> One of the alternative is Microchip ENC28J60 and
> it is available in SPDIP package.
>
> -palani

Hi, do you know if it will work with the ip stack of pic 18f452
i.e. is it exactly the same interface?

2006\02\23@160832 by Will

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> it doesn't come in a DIP.. however, you do have several alternatives.. one
of
> which is the new microchip ENC28J60.. alternatively, you can use one of
the
> many ethernet-uart modules available.. some come in DIP-like sizes..

I like this idea, but will this require major changes to the ip stack
which is available from microchip website?

2006\02\23@162908 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 20:56 +0000, Will wrote:
> >
> > One of the alternative is Microchip ENC28J60 and
> > it is available in SPDIP package.
> >
> > -palani
>
> Hi, do you know if it will work with the ip stack of pic 18f452
> i.e. is it exactly the same interface?

The latest version of the stack from MChip supports the ENC28J60
natively.

TTYL


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2006\02\24@075707 by Will

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> This might also be a (hobbyist) option:
>
> http://picnic.sourceforge.net/

I want to try this one, do you know if the ISA ethernet interface
is the same as PCI interface. My interface card is quite old
(I think from the ISA days) but it is connected in a PCI slot,
are PCI slots backward compatible with ISA, and what should
I do to verify that my card will work with this project?

Tia.

2006\02\24@080041 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>Subject: Re: [PIC] Question about IP stack
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>> This might also be a (hobbyist) option:
>>
>> http://picnic.sourceforge.net/
>
>I want to try this one, do you know if the ISA ethernet
>interface is the same as PCI interface.

Totaly different.

My interface card is
>quite old (I think from the ISA days) but it is connected in a
>PCI slot, are PCI slots backward compatible with ISA, and what
>should I do to verify that my card will work with this project?

They are not backwards compatible, you will need to find an ISA card for this project.

Regards

Mike

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2006\02\24@081236 by Marcel van Lieshout

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PCI != ISA
PCI <> ISA

ISA cards don't fit (physically and electronically) into a PCI slot.
PCI cards don't fit (physically and electronically) into a ISA slot.

I think you better ask this question on the project's mailling list (see
their contact page). I suggest you read their FAQ, too.

Marcel


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2006\02\24@083947 by Howard Winter

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Will,

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:56:52 -0000, Will wrote:

> > This might also be a (hobbyist) option:
> >
> > http://picnic.sourceforge.net/
>
> I want to try this one, do you know if the ISA ethernet interface
> is the same as PCI interface.

Absolutely not!

> My interface card is quite old
> (I think from the ISA days) but it is connected in a PCI slot,
> are PCI slots backward compatible with ISA

No!  PCI is very different and much more complex than ISA - if they were the same there would be no point in
developing the later one  :-)

That project uses ISA because it's easy - you will need to get hold of an ISA card to stand any chance of
success.

Sorry!




Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\02\24@101011 by Tomas Larsson

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [spamBeGonepiclist-bouncesspamBeGonespammit.edu] On Behalf Of Will
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:57 PM
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: Re: [PIC] Question about IP stack
>
> > This might also be a (hobbyist) option:
> >
> > http://picnic.sourceforge.net/
>
> I want to try this one, do you know if the ISA ethernet
> interface is the same as PCI interface. My interface card is
> quite old (I think from the ISA days) but it is connected in
> a PCI slot, are PCI slots backward compatible with ISA, and
> what should I do to verify that my card will work with this project?
>
> Tia.
> --
Nope, they are not compatible.
You need an ISA-card, since it can operate in 8-bit mode, which PCI can't.
A PCI card will not fit in a ISA-slot and a ISA-card don't fit into a
PCI-slot.
So if your card goes into a PCI-Slot, then it's a no-go, but to be sure
check the specs on the ethernet-chip.

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
Sweden

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2006\02\24@102318 by Jan Wagemakers

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Will <TakeThisOuTkerri1111111EraseMEspamspam_OUTbtinternet.com> schreef:

>> This might also be a (hobbyist) option:
>> http://picnic.sourceforge.net/
> I want to try this one, do you know if the ISA ethernet interface
> is the same as PCI interface. My interface card is quite old
> (I think from the ISA days) but it is connected in a PCI slot,
> are PCI slots backward compatible with ISA, and what should
> I do to verify that my card will work with this project?

Read there FAQ <http://picnic.sf.net/faq.html> ;-)

You'll not only need an ISA-card, you need an ISA-card with the same
(or compatible) chipset.


BTW, if you like you can also take a look at <http://pic3com.sf.net>,
where I have connected a PIC18f452 with a 3COM 3C509b ISA-card.

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2006\02\24@105656 by William Killian

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> this project.

I'm wondering if this PCI slot might be a 'dual' slot.  Both connectors
are present for the same case slot on the back.  If that is the case it
is not both a PCI or ISA slot but either a PCI or ISA slot if the nuance
is understood.



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2006\02\24@113313 by Tomas Larsson

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Well, If the card goes into the ISA Connector (ISA-Slot), then it's a ISA
card, if it goes in the PCI-connector (PCI-Slot)then it's a pci card.


With best regards

Tomas Larsson
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