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'[PIC] ICD3 clone?'
2011\09\22@113846 by Tamas Rudnai

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Hi list,

I seem to have some trouble finding ICD3 *clone*, so was just wondering if
there is any out there? If there is no what could be the reason (legal or
technical?)

Thanks,
Tamas
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2011\09\22@124540 by Isaac Marino Bavaresco

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Em 22/9/2011 12:38, Tamas Rudnai escreveu:
> Hi list,
>
> I seem to have some trouble finding ICD3 *clone*, so was just wondering if
> there is any out there? If there is no what could be the reason (legal or
> technical?)
>
> Thanks,
> Tamas


I think the reason is mostly technical, but also legal. The ICD3 uses a
large FPGA to implement the high-speed USB interface. It may be
economically inviable to make small batches because of the high cost of
the FPGA. Besides, I don't think Microchip has published the FPGA
configuration file or the PIC firmware.

If the FPGA boots from an external memory then this is a no-issue, but
there are FPGAs with protected internal memory.
Also, the firmware updates may be encrypted and the boot-loader in the
PIC may be well secured.


Isaac

2011\09\22@133631 by jim

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Tamas,

I understand that some people have a very limited budget when it come
to development tools, especially if
they are doing this as a hobby or small business.  However, it seems to
me the cost of the ICD3 is low
enough that trying to make a clone wouldn't save you that much, even if
the info were there to do it.
My advice, don't worry about a clone.  Get the real issue from
Microchip.  It will be less headaches in  the long run.

Regards,

Jim

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2011\09\22@141043 by Michael Watterson

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jim@jpes.com wrote:
>  My advice, don't worry about a clone.  Get the real issue from
> Microchip.  It will be less headaches in
>  the long run.
>
>  
Agree.

I only bought a Pickit2 clone because I was quoted 3 months delivery at  the time.  There was little difference  in price.

2011\09\22@160010 by Chris Roper

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I just got my ICD3 a few days ago. It cost me twice what I payed for a
PICKIT2, but as I was working with PIC32MX and on a tight schedule I
opted for the extra debug capability's.
I am so pleased that I did, it is a fantastic tool, cost twice as much
but is probably ten times as useful. Definitely great value for money
even on the tightest budget.

Cheers
Chri

2011\09\23@070131 by Tamas Rudnai

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Thanks guys. It does make sense what are you saying about the costs and non
open design + firmware. Was just looking around as with ICD2 and even with
PicKit2 sometimes can find a very interesting modified hardware.

BTW here in the UK an ICD 3 is starting at about £120 and PicKit 3 is from
about £30 -- so it seems to me that ICD 3 is 4 times more expensive, but as
you guys said it still worth it as I have never heard of any good things
about PicKit 3.

Thanks,
Tamas


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Chris Roper <spam_OUTcaroperTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

> I just got my ICD3 a few days ago. It cost me twice what I payed for a
> PICKIT2, but as I was working with PIC32MX and on a tight schedule I
> opted for the extra debug capability's.
> I am so pleased that I did, it is a fantastic tool, cost twice as much
> but is probably ten times as useful. Definitely great value for money
> even on the tightest budget.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>

2011\09\23@084541 by Chris Roper

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> BTW here in the UK an ICD 3 is starting at about £120 and PicKit 3 is from
> about £30 -- so it seems to me that ICD 3 is 4 times more expensive, but as
> you guys said it still worth it as I have never heard of any good things
> about PicKit 3.

Im in South Africa so on a different exchange Rate but I Payed US$30
fot a PICKIT 2 years ago and about US$60 for the ICD3 (I must have got
a very good deal).

2011\09\23@091635 by Tamas Rudnai

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Could be the case, I was just checking in DigiKey, Mouser and Microchip
Direct and is around $180 or £120 (the exchange rate is about to be correct
as the pound sterling is not doing good lately).

It is not urgent for me at the moment so maybe will keep my eyes open for a
while or if I can put my hands on a used one in eBay or Amazon.

Thanks,
Tamas




On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Chris Roper <.....caroperKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:

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2011\09\23@093209 by Youda He

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Here in China, I got a ICD3 clone, (a squaredevice). Don't know the
price yet, worked good, sometime better than the real thing (the real
thing sometimes has a lot of trouble detecting the PIC chip).

-- Youda

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Tamas Rudnai <tamas.rudnaispamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
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2011\09\23@143413 by V G

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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Tamas Rudnai <EraseMEtamas.rudnaispam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks guys. It does make sense what are you saying about the costs and non
> open design + firmware. Was just looking around as with ICD2 and even with
> PicKit2 sometimes can find a very interesting modified hardware.
>
> BTW here in the UK an ICD 3 is starting at about £120 and PicKit 3 is from
> about £30 -- so it seems to me that ICD 3 is 4 times more expensive, but as
> you guys said it still worth it as I have never heard of any good things
> about PicKit 3.
>
> Thanks,
> Tamas
>
>
Definitely worth it. These debuggers are awesome

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