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'[PIC]:My Microchip Certification Concerns'
2003\06\13@171300 by Bob Axtell

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I was always dying to be "certified:" for years, even when we were in Atlanta.
But there was (and is) a significant issue that prohibited me from pursuing
a "certified consultant" status. In fact, my lawyer advised strongly against
it. Here's what was proposed to us when this program began years ago:

(1) Had to have good tools, references, and qualifications. That wasn't a
problem.

(2) Had to provide Microchip with detailed information about what was
being developed and how many of what would be sold, etc.

#1 is easy, #2 was tough. I sign a NDE (non-disclosure agreement) with each &
every client, and I MUST follow that agreement or I can be sued badly and
lose everything I own. I could not honestly make an agreement with
Microchip (despite
my being a enthusiastic supporter) that would jeopardize my NDE. My NDE
includes
being quiet about client expected sales etc as well as the technical
information. This
attitude has kept me from being sued in 20+ years of product design.

Now, I'm not accusing anybody of anything// but I do wonder how Certified
people manage to juggle the two issues?

I KNOW I'll be flamed on this but that's what my issue is.  Has that
requirement ever changed? If it has, I'll try again.

--Bob

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2003\06\13@172915 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 02:12 PM 6/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:


>my being a enthusiastic supporter) that would jeopardize my NDE. My NDE
>includes
>being quiet about client expected sales etc as well as the technical
>information. This
>attitude has kept me from being sued in 20+ years of product design.
>
>Now, I'm not accusing anybody of anything// but I do wonder how Certified
>people manage to juggle the two issues?

You mustn't violate an NDA. Some are more restrictive than others. I won't
discuss it if the NDA is too restrictive. If that doesn't meet their
requirements, then the certification is what will have to give.

>I KNOW I'll be flamed on this but that's what my issue is.

Perfectly reasonable concern, IMHO.

Best regards,

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2003\06\13@185249 by Olin Lathrop

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> (2) Had to provide Microchip with detailed information about what was
> being developed and how many of what would be sold, etc.
>
> Now, I'm not accusing anybody of anything// but I do wonder how
> Certified people manage to juggle the two issues?

This is an example of too many lawyers worrying about things that don't
need worrying about.  I would NEVER compromise a customer's
confidentiality, and Microchip has never asked me to do so.

I remember that clause in the consultant's agreement, but I also realized
that Microchip would very quickly find itself without a consultants
program if they ever kicked people out for not telling them something
confidential.  So what have I got to lose?  I'll sign up, and if they want
to kick me out because I won't pass on customer secrets, so be it.  Of
course if they ever did, they'd be the ones looking like jerks, not me.

In practise this just isn't an issue.  The realtionship is very
coorperative with Microchip.  They sincerely try to help the consultants,
knowing that in the end they'll sell more chips as the things the
consultants design go into production.  The support I get from Microchip
is waaaaaay better than that from any other company.


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2003\06\13@190200 by Mauricio Jancic

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I'd like to tell that I fully agree with Mr. Olin Lathrop.


Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos
(54) 11 4542 3519
Republica Argentina
Microchip Consultant Program Member


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2003\06\13@192954 by Tom Messenger

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Regarding "Microchip Certification Concerns", in the light of suggesting a
consultant to someone for a job, I would suggest that they consider the
microchip list of experts.

Then I'd recommend to the prospective client  that after picking out a few
names, do what most people do these days: type the name into Google to see
just what sort of person they are dealing with.

If the person lives in a cave and doesnot use the internet, there won't be
much to go on. That tells you a little about the person.

If, on the other hand, the person uses the internet daily and posts often
to, say, the piclist, then there will be many examples of that persons
writing to examine in order to see how they treat other people.  Do they
offer good advice?  Are they cordial? Polite?  Are they "consultants" or
"insultants"?

A lot can be learned from Google these days.

Just a thought.
Tom M.

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