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'[PIC]: What is the best programmer?'
2001\05\12@173733 by bob

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What programmer out there is the best for keeping pace with the new PIC
chips and is reliable on any PC.


Thanks,
Bob

PS price is a strong deciding factor!

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2001\05\12@225656 by Drew Vassallo

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>What programmer out there is the best for keeping pace with the new PIC
>chips and is reliable on any PC.

You may have seen some comments regarding the free programmers out there and
how there are at least some restrictions on their usage, as well as their
limitations to certain PIC families.  If you are looking for programmers to
use with "new PICs" then I would suggest sticking with Microchip's line of
programmers.  Sure, they might cost a little more, but they are almost
certainly sure to be able to handle anything that Microchip comes up with in
the future.  They often offer upgrade firmware to accomodate new families,
etc.

I have the PicStart Plus, which I purchased a few years ago for $200.  It
may sound expensive, but I've seen a number of problems that crop up with
people using other third-party or self-made programmers.  For hobby work,
these might be fine.  I tend not to want to worry about whether or not the
programmer itself is causing problems with my program.  In other words, I
would rather not debug the programmer if problems with my PIC occur.

For more serious development, you might want to use Microchip's "better"
programmer, the Pro Mate, but it is significantly more expensive than the
PicStart.

Check Microchip's website for details on their programmers.  I can't
recommend any others at this point.

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2001\05\12@232734 by Bob Blick

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At 10:56 PM 5/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>What programmer out there is the best for keeping pace with the new PIC
>>chips and is reliable on any PC.
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>I have the PicStart Plus, which I purchased a few years ago for $200.  It
>may sound expensive, but I've seen a number of problems that crop up with
>people using other third-party or self-made programmers.  For hobby work,
>these might be fine.  I tend not to want to worry about whether or not the
>programmer itself is causing problems with my program.  In other words, I
>would rather not debug the programmer if problems with my PIC occur.

I'll second that motion. You said price a deciding factor, so I won't
suggest a ProMate :-) The Picstart+ is a good programmer and works from
within MPLAB. In-circuit programming with it is marginal, but it's not
meant for that. It hooks to the serial port and I like that a lot.

As far as supporting new PICs, a lot of the new ones are going to be flash,
so timing isn't the issue it is with the EPROM varieties. On the other
hand, newer versions of Winders get less and less friendly to the parallel
port. If you "upgrade" to 2000 or ME or XP you might also find more trouble
with parallel port programmers.

Another programmer you should look at is the programmer from Newfound
http://www.new-elect.com/
which runs off the serial port like the Picstart+ and also runs from within
MPLAB. Jim has a great track record for support, you can get a programmer
for 1/2 the cost of a Picstart+ with all the convenience.

Cheerful regards,

Bob Blick

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2001\05\13@003515 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>For more serious development, you might want to use Microchip's "better"
>programmer, the Pro Mate, but it is significantly more expensive than the
>PicStart.

       But what is the difference in the Pro Mate? The ability to program/test the PIC in Max/Min vcc??? What does it a "better" programmer?

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2001\05\13@090627 by Olin Lathrop

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> What programmer out there is the best for keeping pace with the new PIC
> chips and is reliable on any PC.

The PicStart+.  Microchip releases firmware updates as new chips are added
to the product line.


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2001\05\14@035121 by Mohamed Eldesoky

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What free programmer is the best???
;-)
I mean with the schematics and programs available.!!!

Mohamed Eldesoky
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2001\05\14@042653 by Andy Jancura

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Hi,

look at http://www.ic-prog.com. It is free and supports many programmer types.

Andrej

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