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2001\04\19@190912 by Thomas N

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Hi everyone,

I have this weird problem on MPLAB, do you have it?

- Open MPLAB (maximize it) and enable the programmer
- Open Window Explore (also maximize it)
- Go back to MPLAB and do a "Build All" (Ctrl+F10)

After the compling is done, it jumps out to Window Explore!  Is it my
computer or it is just like that?

Another question:

Do you use MPLAB editor to write your code?  If not, what do you use and how
do you like it?  My friend has CodeWright but don't know if I can use to
write PIC code.

Thomas


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2001\04\19@191743 by Sam Linder

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Thomas:
What version of MPLAB are you running? I have used all the versions from
5.00 up through the current 5.30 and I haven't seen your MPLAB problem.

I use TextPad for an editor. Great little program - great little price
(US$27-). Highly recommended - also used by two other engineers where I
work. I develop primarily using Hi-Tech C with a smattering of in-line
assembly where needed. TextPad provides practically everything needed in a
programmer's editor. I haven't found one I liked this much since the days of
Brief. (full disclosure - I have no connection with TextPad in any way,
shape, or form other than being a satisfied customer.)

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2001\04\19@192621 by Thomas N

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I am using MPLAB version 5.20.  Hm, so you don't have this problem?

I never heard of TextPad before (I thought it's just another notepad! :) ).
I try to download a demo version (if available) and see how it feels like!
Thomas


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2001\04\19@193446 by David Duffy

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Thomas wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>I have this weird problem on MPLAB, do you have it?
>
>- Open MPLAB (maximize it) and enable the programmer
>- Open Window Explore (also maximize it)
>- Go back to MPLAB and do a "Build All" (Ctrl+F10)
>
>After the compling is done, it jumps out to Window Explore!  Is it my
>computer or it is just like that?

MPLAB has always done that AFAIK. It happens when it changes
focus to the programmer configuration window to update the fuses.
Annoying isn't it? I just leave that window closed.

>Another question:
>
>Do you use MPLAB editor to write your code?  If not, what do you use and how
>do you like it?  My friend has CodeWright but don't know if I can use to
>write PIC code.

I always use the internal editor but would love to integrate UltraEdit into it.
Maybe with the new 32 bit version we'll get syntax highlighting,etc.
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2001\04\19@193450 by Sam Linder

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Thomas:
If you're unable to download a copy, let me know and I can email it to you.
The downloadable program is a full working version with a nag screen until
you buy the license.
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2001\04\19@201929 by Thomas N

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So I am not alone, then! Does UltraEdit highlite the comments or change it
to different color?  I will like it alot if it can highlight the comment or
the code so it's easier to read (just like C/C++ editor)

Sam,
Please email me a copy at .....thomasn101KILLspamspam.....hotmail.com

Thomas
P.S.  What's AFAIK?


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2001\04\19@203623 by David Duffy

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At 12:18 AM 20/04/01 +0000, you wrote:
>So I am not alone, then! Does UltraEdit highlite the comments or change it
>to different color?  I will like it alot if it can highlight the comment or
>the code so it's easier to read (just like C/C++ editor)

You can define the syntax highlighting in UltraEdit for different programming
languages. Someone on the list posted their "word file" for UltraEdit about a
few weeks ago. I forget who it was. (sorry!) It works well. You can download
UltraEdit (shareware) from http://www.ultraedit.com/  I quite happily paid for
the registration. It's a very useful program.

>Sam,
>Please email me a copy at KILLspamthomasn101KILLspamspamhotmail.com
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>Thomas
>P.S.  What's AFAIK?

"As Far As I Know"

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2001\04\19@205946 by Sam Linder

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Thomas:
Due to the large size of the TextPad file (2.5MB) both Hotmail and the PIC
list rejected my transmission. If you can't download it, let me know of an
alternate email address that can accept 2.5MB attachments.
       Sam....


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2001\04\19@232851 by Thomas N

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People,
Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to write
PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?
Thomas


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2001\04\19@235457 by Dale Botkin

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Thomas N wrote:

> People,
> Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to write
> PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?
> Thomas

Used to use the MPLAB editor, now I use CodeWarrior.  A little nicer, with
highlighting.  I signed up as a PalmOS developer and downloaded CW Lite
from Palm for free.

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2001\04\20@003142 by Damon Hopkins

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I use MS Dev Studio I haven't figured out how to fully customize it but
I am using the CCS compiler and have it shell out the compile I mainly
use it for the file management and the syntax coloring. I'm sure there
are better ways but I've gotten used to it this way.

               Damon Hopkins

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2001\04\20@003158 by Damon Hopkins

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is this the embedded version of Code warrior? I have the C version and I
never could get the thing to work right for CW.. can you give me a
rundown of the setup or a blank project file that's setup already?

               Damon Hopkins

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2001\04\20@003716 by Bill Westfield

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   Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to write
   PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?

EMACS.

EMACS runs on anything and does everything, more or less.

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2001\04\20@013224 by Scott Dattalo

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, William Chops Westfield wrote:

>     Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to write
>     PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?
>
> EMACS.
>
> EMACS runs on anything and does everything, more or less.

I was wondering when someone would mention emacs. BTW, James Cameron has
written a .el file for PIC syntax highlighting:

http://quozl.netrek.org/tad/99-11707/asm-mode.el

Scott

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2001\04\20@013457 by Andrew Warren

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Thomas N <spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to
> write PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?

Thomas:

Since its introduction, CodeWright has been the best Windows-based
programmer's text editor available.  No other editor does more, none
does it better, and none is more configurable.

Of course, very few editors cost as much as CodeWright, either... But
you get what you pay for.

-Andy


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2001\04\20@021249 by Dale Botkin

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It's the PalmOS version, but I only use the editor.  I edit the file in
CW, save, then switch to MPLAB and build the project.  I have not taken
the time to learn the CW IDE, so I don't use it for anything but the
editor at this time.  I like the syntax highlighting and the drop-down
function list/jump feature that I can use to go to a particular function
without having to scroll through the source hunting for it.

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2001\04\20@121238 by Thomas N

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Can you debug in CodeWright?  Can it load watch widows, RAM, ROM, SFR in
CodeWright?

What's about UltraEdit, codeWarrior, EMACS, and TextPad?  Can I debug PIC
code in these?

Thomas



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2001\04\20@122502 by Scott Newell

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>Can you debug in CodeWright?  Can it load watch widows, RAM, ROM, SFR in
>CodeWright?

I doubt it, unless you were willing to write the code to connect CodeWright
(they do have an API) to the simulator.


>What's about UltraEdit, codeWarrior, EMACS, and TextPad?  Can I debug PIC
>code in these?

UltraEdit: no.


>>Since its introduction, CodeWright has been the best Windows-based
>>programmer's text editor available.  No other editor does more, none
>>does it better, and none is more configurable.

Does anyone else notice the CodeWright seems slightly sluggish?  Every time
I've eval'd it, I've noticed that the menus don't seem to 'pop' as fast as
most win apps.  Premia/Starbase couldn't explain it.


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2001\04\20@123930 by Andrew Warren

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Thomas N <RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Can you debug in CodeWright?

   No, and you can't play Quake in it, either; it's just a text
   editor.

   You can link its "Build" toolbar buttons and menu items to your
   assembler or compiler, and its "Debug" buttons and menus to your
   simulator or emulator, but you can't replace MPLAB's built-in
   editor with CodeWright.

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2001\04\20@124129 by Andrew Warren

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Scott Newell <@spam@PICLISTspam_OUTspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Does anyone else notice the CodeWright seems slightly sluggish?
> Every time I've eval'd it, I've noticed that the menus don't seem
> to 'pop' as fast as most win apps.  Premia/Starbase couldn't
> explain it.

Scott:

I can't explain it, either; I've never seen that "sluggishness" in
any of the CodeWright versions.

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2001\04\20@162855 by michael brown

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What?  Doesn't anyone use vi? <grin> Really though, Ultraedit32 is a pretty
competent "program" editor.  One handy feature, for me anyway, is that it
recognizes the difference between Unix-type(LF only) text files and
dos-type(CR/LF) text files and doesn't screw them up.

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2001\04\21@004759 by Damon Hopkins

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that's about as far as I've gotten as well.. in DevStudio I figured out
the command line so I can actually compile my code (no debugging or
anything like that)..

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2001\04\21@140810 by Dwayne Reid

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At 03:26 AM 4/20/01 +0000, Thomas N wrote:
>People,
>Is there any other program besides TextPad and UltraEdit you use to write
>PIC code?  What do you use?  What's your favourite?
>Thomas

I still do most of my serious code writing in an old DOS editor called
Qedit from Semware.  But I'm trying to become modern and use a Windows
editor - its just that my fingers are too used to all the commands and
macros that I have in Qedit and it takes time.

I've evaluated several Windows editors: PFE, MPLAB (almost the same thing
as PFE), EditPad, The Semware Editor (TSE), UltraEdit, a couple of others.

So far, I've settled on UltraEdit.  Now I'm just trying to get my fingers
used to the default key bindings.  You see - because Qedit is so tiny
(46K), it doesn't matter how much I customise it because I just toss it on
a floppy and take it with me.  Its pretty hard to do that with most Windows
editors.

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2001\04\21@161737 by Scott Newell

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>> Does anyone else notice the CodeWright seems slightly sluggish?
>> Every time I've eval'd it, I've noticed that the menus don't seem
>> to 'pop' as fast as most win apps.  Premia/Starbase couldn't
>> explain it.
>
>Scott:
>
>I can't explain it, either; I've never seen that "sluggishness" in
>any of the CodeWright versions.

Just downloaded the 6.5 eval and it's still sluggish.  I've now seen this
on 6.0 and 6.5, on two seperate machines, under NT4 and 2k, and with TNT2
and S3 video cards.  Something else I just noticed--most, if not all, win32
apps will trigger my iFeel haptic mouse as I go from one main menu item
(File, Edit, Search, etc.) to another.  Codewright does not.

Maybe they've got some weird owner-draw menu that's not as well optimized
as the default win32 code.

Still, every time this editor discussion pops up on the piclist, I get
excited about CW...maybe this time I'll finally write that check.


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