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2003\11\20@125409 by Dominic Stratten

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Just downloaded MPLAB 6.40 and in the Picstart+ notes I found the
following - its not available for sale on the Microchip site yet but should
be a nice upgrade to my Picstart - I can finally use the hundreds of
18F1220's that I bought ages ago. If anyone has any more info about this
upgrade then please let me know - I'm dying to get going on the 18F series.

Cheers

Dom





4. What's New in SW v3.40, OS v4.00
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MPLAB IDE v6.40 and PICSTART Plus SW v3.40, OS v4.00 support new
PICSTART Plus Processor Upgrade Kit!!!
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This release supports the new upgrade kit for PICSTART Plus that
allows you to install an upgrade board with a flash device,
instead of a PIC17C44, thus making future upgrades as easy as
downloading a new programmer operating system.

Requirements: For the kit to work, you must NOT have a PICSTART
Plus unit with an assembly number ending in R4 or less.

Units with an assembly number ending in R20 or greater, or with
a sticker stating "Flash Upgradeable", have already been upgraded.

Ordering Information: PICSTART Plus Processor Upgrade Kit - UK003010

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2003\11\20@140536 by Mauricio Jancic

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My field engeneer told me that we will have to wait 2~3 months...

Mauricio D. Jancic
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2003\11\20@142649 by Dominic Stratten

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I've just got this response from Microchip Technical Support - looking
promising :




Hello Dominic,

The Flash Upgrade kit is in production and should be available on the
Buy.Microchip website within two weeks.

Kind Regards,

Devry Burch
Sr. Corporate Applications Engineer
Microchip Technology Inc.


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Subject: Re: [PIC]: Picstart Plus Flash upgrade soon to become available


> My field engeneer told me that we will have to wait 2~3 months...
>

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2003\11\20@145658 by Mauricio Jancic

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Well, I got this one:

Well, I would love to have the 18 pin DIP picmicros from the 18F family
and the 16F88 also. But as I saw, there is no support for these with the
PS+, right?


Hi, Mauricio;

I am told that this support should be out in 2 to 3 months.  Hope this
helps.


Donna Mason, Worldwide Consultant Program Coordinator
Microchip Technology Inc.
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(480) 792-7870



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2003\11\20@174957 by Robert Rolf

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I don't get it.
What is so 'special' about the PICstart Plus that you can't use it to
program a suitable blank flash device with the new firmware,
and then swap chips? Why would anyone have to BUY the upgrade if they
already have the needed processor? 17C44 => 17F44?? Seems like a $ grab
to me.

And if ICSP is ICSP is ICSP, why does Microchip NOT support the ICD1 in
MPLAB6.x? I've already paid for the tool, and it seems silly to pay for
another one (ICD2) if all I should have to do is change the blade.

Could someone a Microchip marketing please explain their abandonment of
workable older tools?

Robert


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2003\11\20@190204 by Olin Lathrop

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> I can finally use the
> hundreds of 18F1220's that I bought ages ago.

As long as you don't try to run them faster than 4MHz.  If you really have
"hundreds", perhaps you can get Microchip to swap them for 40MHz devices
since the ones you bought don't work as advertised.


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2003\11\20@191901 by Jim Robertson

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>I don't get it.
>What is so 'special' about the PICstart Plus that you can't use it to
>program a suitable blank flash device with the new firmware,
>and then swap chips? Why would anyone have to BUY the upgrade if they
>already have the needed processor? 17C44 => 17F44?? Seems like a $ grab
>to me.


17F44? And where do you get that? Must be other one of those things that
only exists on the PICLIST.  ;-)

Now if you had of read the original post you would see that it refers to an
add-in BOARD with a flash
chip on it, not just a chip. As I understand it the Flash PIC is a 18F6620.
The board _may_  contain
other goodies like A/D feedback on the programming voltages for reliable
ICSP. (Ok now I'm dreaming...)

Seems to me Microchip are doing the right thing with their legacy Dev tool
support for once.  Applaud
them loud enough and they might do it again.

BTW. I have had a similar add-in board for the picstart plus sitting here
for months. I was considering
releasing it with my own hybrid WARP-13/MPLAB compatible firmware until I
heard about the
microchip effort.

Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS

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2003\11\20@194842 by Robert Rolf

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Jim Robertson wrote:
>
> source= http://www.piclist.com/piclist/2003/11/20/174957a.txt?
>
> >I don't get it.
> >What is so 'special' about the PICstart Plus that you can't use it to
> >program a suitable blank flash device with the new firmware,
> >and then swap chips? Why would anyone have to BUY the upgrade if they
> >already have the needed processor? 17C44 => 17F44?? Seems like a $ grab
> >to me.
>
> 17F44? And where do you get that? Must be other one of those things that
> only exists on the PICLIST.  ;-)

Of course. I had two question marks after the part number since I
wasn't sure if it existed. Seemed like it should have given MChip's diverse
PIC line and good upward migration path.

> Now if you had of read the original post you would see that it refers to an
> add-in BOARD with a flash
> chip on it, not just a chip. As I understand it the Flash PIC is a 18F6620.

Fair enough. From a cursory look the 17Cxx series has no pin compatibility with
the 16 or 18 line. Even the line card 'code/pinout compatibility chart'
doesn't list the 17 series.

> Seems to me Microchip are doing the right thing with their legacy Dev tool
> support for once.  Applaud
> them loud enough and they might do it again.

YES!! .... YES!! YESSSSSSSSSS!!   ...... "I'll have what she's having."
(cafe scene from the movie "When Harry met Sally").

Now if we could only convince MChip to put back ICD1 support in MPLAB6.

Robert

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