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2003\05\19@145325 by Brooke Clarke

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Hi:

Microchip has the DV164101 FLASH Starter Kit the 8 and 14 pin divices in
stock at Digikey at $36.
It uses a 16C745 and USB interface.
It comes with a "Tips 'n Tricks" that has some good ideas (like reading
16 switches on one pin, or dual range thermistor drive, etc..., see:
http://www.microchip.com/download/lit/pline/picmicro/families/12f6xx/40040b.pdf

Also there are a number of instructional Macromedia movies that helped
me understand some concepts better because there are antimated slides
and a person reading the material. see  PICmicro x14 Basic Training
Modules:

http://techtrain.microchip.com/x14/

Have Fun,

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2003\05\19@150203 by Vern Jones

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Hello,

Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE, It crashed
explorer in my system so that the boot process couldn't finish. I also
tried the install in a second Windows98SE system with the same results.
The solution was to reinstall Windows98SE.

So be warned that this may happen, after windows is re installed the
Microchip Flash Starter Kit software works OK.

Vern

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2003\05\19@150616 by erholm (QAC)

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Brooke Clarke wrote:
>Also there are a number of instructional Macromedia movies that helped
>me understand some concepts better because there are antimated slides
>and a person reading the material. see  PICmicro x14 Basic Training
>Modules:
>
>http://techtrain.microchip.com/x14/


Just a quick question...
All links on that page points to the same file,
"x14architecture.zip", even if the description on each
line specifies different sizes. Is it just one ZIP
containing all modules ?

Jan-Erik.

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2003\05\19@150820 by Charles Craft

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>
> Hello,

Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE, It crashed
explorer in my system so that the boot process couldn't finish. I also
tried the install in a second Windows98SE system with the same results.
The solution was to reinstall Windows98SE.

So be warned that this may happen, after windows is re installed the
Microchip Flash Starter Kit software works OK.

Vern

Brooke Clarke wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> Microchip has the DV164101 FLASH Starter Kit the 8 and 14 pin divices in
> stock at Digikey at $36.
> It uses a 16C745 and USB interface.
> It comes with a "Tips 'n Tricks" that has some good ideas (like reading
> 16 switches on one pin, or dual range thermistor drive, etc..., see:
> <a target=_blank
href="http://www.microchip.com/download/lit/pline/picmicro/families/12f6xx/40040b.pdf">http://www.microchip.com/download/lit/pline/picmicro/families/12f6xx/40040b.pdf</a>
>
> Also there are a number of instructional Macromedia movies that helped
> me understand some concepts better because there are antimated slides
> and a person reading the material. see  PICmicro x14 Basic Training
> Modules:
>
> <a target=_blank
href="http://techtrain.microchip.com/x14/">http://techtrain.microchip.com/x14/</a>
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Brooke Clarke, N6GCE
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2003\05\19@163327 by Olin Lathrop

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> Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE, It crashed
> explorer in my system so that the boot process couldn't finish. I also
> tried the install in a second Windows98SE system with the same results.
> The solution was to reinstall Windows98SE.

If you're going to install one of the archaic Win9x system, at least make
it Windows ME, which is the latest.


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2003\05\19@171442 by Mike Singer

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
> > Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE
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> If you're going to install one of the archaic Win9x system,
> at least make it Windows ME, which is the latest.

  One of my VB projects (rather complex) developed for
Win2000 works acceptably under Win98SE, but under Win ME
it goes kinky (record locking in .mdb database).

  Mike.

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2003\05\19@181901 by Philip Pemberton

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         Brooke Clarke <.....brookeKILLspamspam.....PACIFIC.NET> wrote:

> Microchip has the DV164101 FLASH Starter Kit the 8 and 14 pin divices in
> stock at Digikey at $36.
> It uses a 16C745 and USB interface.
Does anyone know if Microchip are selling the FLASH Starter Kit in the UK
as well? Anyone know what the specifications are - i.e. what you actually
get with the kit for your $36?

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2003\05\19@205706 by Jake Anderson

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> > Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE, It crashed
> > explorer in my system so that the boot process couldn't finish. I also
> > tried the install in a second Windows98SE system with the same results.
> > The solution was to reinstall Windows98SE.
>
> If you're going to install one of the archaic Win9x system, at least make
> it Windows ME, which is the latest.
>

I like windows, I use mickysoft products all day every day. So I am not some
zelot of any other OS.

That said.

Windows ME is Evil incarnate. It is the bastard child of windows 2000 and
Windows 98, it has all the bad features of both and none of the good things.
Stick with their major products. Win 2k, NT, XP, 98SE (98 is lacking some
bits) etc. In terms of software support not many people take into account
the differences between 98 and ME and it can lead to all kinds of trouble. I
am under the impression that ME was released because mickysoft felt that it
had been an awefully long time since they had released any software in the
consumer line and something had to be done.

My desktop is running Win2k Server as is my router the other person here
uses win 2K pro.

My laptop runs a dual boot win2k pro and 98SE. (P1 266 48mb ram 4G hdd) 2k
is hella slow but I use it for its networking abilities and its stability
with hibernating. 98SE is verry handy because on that machine it runs nice
and quick and its always handy to have the ability to make a dos boot disk
(for flashing BIOSes etc) and having a set of dos and 98 tools has been
rather handy in my travels.

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2003\05\19@233514 by Dwayne Reid

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At 12:02 PM 5/19/03 -0700, Vern Jones wrote:

>Has anyone had trouble with the install using Windows98SE, It crashed
>explorer in my system so that the boot process couldn't finish. I also
>tried the install in a second Windows98SE system with the same results.
>The solution was to reinstall Windows98SE.

You don't need to re-install Win 98SE - just replace 3 files in the
/windows/system directory.  Those files are:

asycfilt.dll (same size but different contents)
hid.dll (old 36864, new 18192)
shlwapi.dll (old 282896, new 395264)

shlwapi.dll is the file that causes the Explorer erorr, hid.dll causes
mouse packets to be dropped.  you can copy those files from another Win
98SE installation or write me - I can send copies if required.

Microchip is aware of and has fixed the problem: the following is a message
I received from Microchip Tech support:

{Quote hidden}

I also received a copy of the new installation setup file by email on 08
May 2003 - it seems to work just fine.

dwayne

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2003\05\20@005335 by Vern Jones

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Hello Dwayne,

The system is now restored, I'll make a note of this for future
reference.

Thanks,

Vern

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2003\05\20@081042 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Does anyone know if Microchip are selling the FLASH Starter Kit in the UK
>as well? Anyone know what the specifications are - i.e. what you actually
>get with the kit for your $36?

Check with Future Electronics, apparently they have a shipment arriving
within about a week. One of my colleagues has ordered one from them and has
been quoted £41.00 including VAT and postage. He found out about Future by
calling the UK Microchip people.

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2003\05\20@092040 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:16 Australia/Sydney, Philip Pemberton
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> Does anyone know if Microchip are selling the FLASH Starter Kit in the
> UK
> as well? Anyone know what the specifications are - i.e. what you
> actually
> get with the kit for your $36?

You get a little board - about 75 x 75mm with a USB Port (Type B
Connector), PIC16C745 to do all the USB and programming work, 14-Pin
machined "Evaluation Socket" with a PIC12F675 - pre-loaded with a demo
program. "Power" and "Busy" LEDs, a push-button and a handful of LEDs
for testing. There is also a snap-off prototyping area with a place for
a DB-9 connector and other goodies - this area is unpopulated.

In addition to this, you get a USB cable, CD-ROM with latest(?) MPLAB
IDE and another CD-ROM with all source code, demo programs and the
stuff that Brooke mentioned earlier. You also get a
warranty/registration card and a card for a free 14-Pin Flash part.
These parts must not have been available when the PICkits went into
production, I guess. Also, I am not sure if the free offer applies if
you are outside the land of the free and home of the brave. :-)

All in all, I think it is fairly good value for US$36. I don't think
you will be disappointed for something that does what it is designed to
do and does it quite well.

Cheers,

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2003\05\20@142845 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <spamBeGoneB9843C12-8AC5-11D7-9E11-000A27A90B06STOPspamspamEraseMEsdalcorn.com>>          Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff <KILLspampicstuffspamBeGonespamSDALCORN.COM> wrote:

> You get a little board - about 75 x 75mm with a USB Port (Type B
> Connector), PIC16C745 to do all the USB and programming work, 14-Pin
> machined "Evaluation Socket" with a PIC12F675 - pre-loaded with a demo
> program. "Power" and "Busy" LEDs, a push-button and a handful of LEDs
> for testing. There is also a snap-off prototyping area with a place for
> a DB-9 connector and other goodies - this area is unpopulated.
Not too bad for £41 then. I might buy one... Or I might just buy some
PIC16C745s and design my own USB programmer.
Speaking of programmers, my P3 programmer is DOA. The MAX662 isn't providing
enough power to get the chip into programming mode (yes, I know 12V is about
3V over the specs), so the chip starts wolfing down tons of current and
blows out the 5V switching transistor. Cute.
It works flawlessly on 12C508As, 12C509As, 16F84As, 16F84s and 16F628s.
12F629s kill it. Bah!
I'll try programming a 12F629 in my Maplin programmer; if that fails I'll
email the guy who wrote IC-PROG.
But, then again, my JDM PIC Programmer II works great. It's programmed
everything I've plugged into its DIL socket so far, except for the 16F628
because... You guessed it, the LVP input was held high... If I remove the
Vcc -> pin 10 link and replace it with a link to GND, the PP2 should program
16F628s.

> In addition to this, you get a USB cable, CD-ROM with latest(?) MPLAB
> IDE and another CD-ROM with all source code, demo programs and the
> stuff that Brooke mentioned earlier.
[southpark]Sweeeeeeet...[/southpark]

> and a card for a free 14-Pin Flash part.
> These parts must not have been available when the PICkits went into
> production, I guess. Also, I am not sure if the free offer applies if
> you are outside the land of the free and home of the brave. :-)
Well, Microchip didn't seem to have any problems sending me a few PICmicro
samples... All the way from the "land of the free". $20 of PICs and a $30
shipping charge... The only reason I ordered samples was because my usual
source for PICs said the 12C508A/JW didn't exist and my backup supplier said
they wouldn't have any for two weeks as they weren't very popular... Bah!

> All in all, I think it is fairly good value for US$36. I don't think
> you will be disappointed for something that does what it is designed to
> do and does it quite well.
Hmm...... Time to find some more room on top of the cupboard. So far, I've
managed to get a Dallas iButton Starter Kit and a Motorola Nitron MCU
Starter Kit for free. I'm sure most of you will remember the threads on the
PIClist about these little gems... I hate the Codewarrior IDE that the
Nitron uses, though. Too damn slow. IME MPLAB is much nicer.

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2003\05\20@201400 by Dwayne Reid

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At 06:24 PM 5/20/03 +0000, Philip Pemberton wrote:

>Not too bad for £41 then.

I'd say that the price you've mentioned is *lousy*!  I just checked - US $36 equates to about GBP £22.  How on earth can your supplier get away with charging you almost double the retail rate?

>I might buy one... Or I might just buy some PIC16C745s and design my own
>USB programmer.

You don't even have to design it yourself if you don't want - the schematic and source code for both the PIC and PC software are available.  I'm sure that your local Microchip rep can pony up a couple of '745 samples for you.

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2003\05\20@203739 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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> I'd say that the price you've mentioned is *lousy*!  I just checked - > US $36 equates to about GBP £22.  How on earth can your supplier get > away with charging you almost double the retail rate?

Yes. I was thinking that, myself! But at £42, it's probably cheaper than a burger & fries! :-)

> You don't even have to design it yourself if you don't want - the
> schematic and source code for both the PIC and PC software are
> available.  I'm sure that your local Microchip rep can pony up a
> couple of '745 samples for you.

Oh, no. They are £38 each + VAT! :-)

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2003\05\21@041707 by Nigel Orr

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> At 06:24 PM 5/20/03 +0000, Philip Pemberton wrote:
>
>> Not too bad for #41 then.
>
> I'd say that the price you've mentioned is *lousy*!  I just checked -
> US $36 equates to about GBP #22.  How on earth can your supplier get
> away with charging you almost double the retail rate?

That's a fairly typical 'exchange rate' for electronics in the UK, from
components right through to computers.  Take the USD price, change the
dollar sign to a pound sign, then add insult to injury with a few pounds
more, just to cover admin...

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2003\05\21@043356 by Alan B. Pearce

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>>Not too bad for £41 then.
>
>I'd say that the price you've mentioned is *lousy*!  I just checked - US
>$36 equates to about GBP £22.  How on earth can your supplier get away with
>charging you almost double the retail rate?

It is known locally as "rip off Britain" for a good reason :)) Also do not
forget that this figure includes 17.5% VAT which is somewhat different to
your 6% or so sales tax. Would your sales tax need to be added to the
$36.00?? Judging by my retail experience in the USA it would, which does
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2003\05\22@122640 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> I'd say that the price you've mentioned is *lousy*!  I just checked -
>> US $36 equates to about GBP £22.  How on earth can your supplier get
>> away with charging you almost double the retail rate?
>
>Yes. I was thinking that, myself! But at £42, it's probably cheaper
>than a burger & fries! :-)
>


Panic mode everyone in the UK. Farnell have the PicKit 1 on their website
for £23 which is about half the price I quoted the other day, but may also
incur postage. Even so, likely to be a better deal than the £41.

Do not know what farnells delivery time is likely to be, but probably
available immediately as my colleague has received his.

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If I place my order with Farnell (on the web) before
17.00, I get the stuff delivered  *next day* for
a shipping fee of 55:- SEK (about $7 Or £4).

Jan-Erik.

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>Do not know what farnells delivery time is likely to be, but probably
>available immediately as my colleague has received his.

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