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2006\04\25@124039 by rosoftwarecontrol

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what is his real meaning? is this an offense?
reading this I feel badly, although it relates very little to me


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2006\04\25@135604 by James Newtons Massmind

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People who cut themselves off for silly reasons are punishing themselves
enough. There is no need to take it as an insult, he is insulting himself on
your behalf.

And the USA is CERTAINLY not ahead of Canada on safety issues for food.

Guess what the #1 feed for cows in the USA is? No, cow brains are used
indirectly, but mostly, it is chicken poop. They cook it to 160 degrees and
then mix in grains etc...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/158359_feed28.html
www.mycattle.com/news/dsp_topstories_article.cfm?storyid=13563
Cattle feed is often a sum of animal parts. When the FDA banned cattle feed
from containing most byproducts of cattle, sheep and goats, the loophole was
that chicken feed could still have that and cattle could be fed chicken
feces, poultry feathers, cow blood or other parts of pigs, horses, fish,
cattle and just about any animal part unfit for human consumption.

In January of 2004 the FDA moved to ban feeds containing cattle blood and
poultry litter, which includes manure. But the outcry was so strong that
they rescinded that rule. As far as I know, this is still the case.

Feed can still include parts of pigs, fish, chicken, horses, even cats or
dogs. And some of those animals -- before being rendered and mixed up for
cattle feed -- are raised on food containing the same cow parts now banned
from cattle consumption.

Additionally, there is nothing to prevent factory cattle farms from directly
feeding their cattle with chicken shit or other items which can not be SOLD
as feed. This is a big deal because many chicken factories will actually PAY
to have chicken poop removed. Since it is not being SOLD as feed, feeding it
to cows violates no law.

To some degree, every thing is recycled or "rendered" in nature. All the
parts of a dead chicken in the wild would be recovered in the growth of
plants, worms, bugs and other things which might be eaten by other chickens.


But the point is that the larger the difference between the consumer and the
by-products produced by the donor, the smaller the chance the something
"bad" will happen. Feeding cow to cows has proven to be catastrophic.
Feeding one animal to another is less so, but the best would be to feed
animal parts to plants before feeding those plants to other (or the same)
animals.

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/chicken.html You don't want to see this.
It shows the reality of the egg production industry. Did you know that in
some hatcheries the male chicks (which have no value) are ground up and fed
to the female chicks?

http://www.njfarms.org/njhs.htm The animal cruelty laws in NJ will send you
to jail if you fail to feed your pet for a few days... Unless you are a
farmer, and then you can starve your hens for 2 weeks to force molting and
start a new egg laying cycle.

http://www.factoryfarming.com/health_more.htm Human Health risks from
factory farming. This organization is pushing for vegan diets, but they do
admit that small, family farms are a better choice if you will eat meat.

http://www.bancruelfarms.org/meatrix/ The Meatrix Moovie.

---
James.



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2006\04\25@174605 by alan smith

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AND....that is why I buy my beef on the hoof so to speak.
 
 "I'll have that one over there......"
 
 boom
 
 week later....its in the freezer.

James Newtons Massmind <.....jamesnewtonKILLspamspam.....massmind.org> wrote:
 People who cut themselves off for silly reasons are punishing themselves
enough. There is no need to take it as an insult, he is insulting himself on
your behalf.

And the USA is CERTAINLY not ahead of Canada on safety issues for food.

Guess what the #1 feed for cows in the USA is? No, cow brains are used
indirectly, but mostly, it is chicken poop. They cook it to 160 degrees and
then mix in grains etc...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/158359_feed28.html
www.mycattle.com/news/dsp_topstories_article.cfm?storyid=13563
Cattle feed is often a sum of animal parts. When the FDA banned cattle feed
from containing most byproducts of cattle, sheep and goats, the loophole was
that chicken feed could still have that and cattle could be fed chicken
feces, poultry feathers, cow blood or other parts of pigs, horses, fish,
cattle and just about any animal part unfit for human consumption.

In January of 2004 the FDA moved to ban feeds containing cattle blood and
poultry litter, which includes manure. But the outcry was so strong that
they rescinded that rule. As far as I know, this is still the case.

Feed can still include parts of pigs, fish, chicken, horses, even cats or
dogs. And some of those animals -- before being rendered and mixed up for
cattle feed -- are raised on food containing the same cow parts now banned
from cattle consumption.

Additionally, there is nothing to prevent factory cattle farms from directly
feeding their cattle with chicken shit or other items which can not be SOLD
as feed. This is a big deal because many chicken factories will actually PAY
to have chicken poop removed. Since it is not being SOLD as feed, feeding it
to cows violates no law.

To some degree, every thing is recycled or "rendered" in nature. All the
parts of a dead chicken in the wild would be recovered in the growth of
plants, worms, bugs and other things which might be eaten by other chickens.


But the point is that the larger the difference between the consumer and the
by-products produced by the donor, the smaller the chance the something
"bad" will happen. Feeding cow to cows has proven to be catastrophic.
Feeding one animal to another is less so, but the best would be to feed
animal parts to plants before feeding those plants to other (or the same)
animals.

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/chicken.html You don't want to see this.
It shows the reality of the egg production industry. Did you know that in
some hatcheries the male chicks (which have no value) are ground up and fed
to the female chicks?

http://www.njfarms.org/njhs.htm The animal cruelty laws in NJ will send you
to jail if you fail to feed your pet for a few days... Unless you are a
farmer, and then you can starve your hens for 2 weeks to force molting and
start a new egg laying cycle.

http://www.factoryfarming.com/health_more.htm Human Health risks from
factory farming. This organization is pushing for vegan diets, but they do
admit that small, family farms are a better choice if you will eat meat.

http://www.bancruelfarms.org/meatrix/ The Meatrix Moovie.

---
James.



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2006\04\25@210331 by Mike Hord

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On 4/25/06, alan smith <KILLspammicro_eng2KILLspamspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> AND....that is why I buy my beef on the hoof so to speak.
>
>   "I'll have that one over there......"

>
>   boom
>
>   week later....its in the freezer.

That's how it works amongst some of my friends, only it's
usually:

"Oops!  We hit another one with the feed truck!"

BOOOM!

One week later...

"Hey, do you guys want some beef?  My parents just sent
us half a cow."

Mike H.

2006\04\25@224801 by Marc Nicholas

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I wouldn't ship to anyone in Canada either. And I *live* in Canada ;-)

People are allowed to choose what they will or won't do. That's the beauty
of "the free world".

Caveat empor. YMMV. BYOB.

That said, I've had just as much grief shipping to Canada as I've had half
way across the world....there's really no rhyme or reason. European postal
service is generally very reliable....yet I've had *hell* FedHex'ing to
France (presents for my daughter, no less).

-marc

2006\04\26@105441 by John Ferrell

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Chickens eat a lot of chicken poop too!

Poultry feathers rendered in a pressure vessel consist of something like 70%
protein. The 400 degree, high pressure process probably kills off organic
bugs.

It has to be better than hauling it to a landfill.

BTW, I eat a lot of chicken myself!

John Ferrell
http://DixieNC.US

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2006\04\26@112426 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>Subject: RE: [OT]on ebay,one guy just said "don't ship to
>Canada due to the risk of MadCowDisease"
>
>http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/chicken.html You don't want
>to see this. It shows the reality of the egg production
>industry. Did you know that in some hatcheries the male chicks
>(which have no value) are ground up and fed to the female chicks?

You're right, I didn't enjoy reading that one bit.  I think I could become vegitarian if I could be convinced that it would make the slightest bit of difference apart from saving my own conscience, but to acheive anything significant I think the laws regarding the treatment of these animals has to be tightened up and enforced.  Of course it would put the price of meat and eggs up, but I'm not convinced that is such a bad thing, there are numerous other healthy/nutritious foods that are inexpensive to buy.

Regards

Mike

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2006\04\27@074901 by Joe McCauley

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Well what is the big deal about shipping outside the US anyhow. I can see
that some 'exotic' locations might be problematic with issues like loss of
packages etc., but for Western Europe at least the postal services are
reliable. I get stuff shipped from the US all the time. Small packets cost
an amazing US$9.50 to Ireland  from the CONUS when sent USPS and usually
arrive in a week. I have never had an issue with delivery yet. Yet on many
ebay auctions you will get that annoying phrase 'will ship to the
continental US only' or 'only ships to the lower 48 states' That's a bit
rough on Alaska & Hawaii never mind the rest of us.

There is a whole BIG world out there....

I must be in bad humour today.........

Joe (who will ship just about anywhere if I get paid)

> mad cow disease through a PayPal transfer. This must be the lamest
> excuse ever heard or written. Can't he just write 'will ship to the
> continental US' like everyone else ?
>
> Peter
> --

2006\04\27@094555 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Well what is the big deal about shipping outside the US
> anyhow.

IIRC Olin gave an (at least partial) answer to that: for destinations
within the US he could just drop his packages, for outside he had to
fill in forms (in person). At least for a professional that is much more
of a problem than a higher fee.

Compare to my situation: small packages (that fit in a mailbox) I can
just drop in the mailbox, never minds what the desination country is.
Largers ones can still be dropped, but at the post office. But withouty
standing in the queue, without filling in any forms.

Wouter van Ooijen

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