A perfect example of the relentlessly negative news coverage that China has
been hit with for their big celebration. It's petty, rude and smacks of
jealousy. It's even embarrassing to the point I would feel the need to
apologize. Not to mention a lack of perspective on how very far China has come
since the fifties and sixties (in an absolute sense and compared to other
3rd world nations).
I'm sure news crews could have trolled around Atlanta's poor neighborhoods,
photographed boarded-up buildings, complained about pollution, too photos of
various stereotypical excesses, and found some ugly or fat kid that didn't
get picked to participate in the opening ceremony.
> Summary: PLEASE take this particular subset of the thread to
> OT if you must reply and preferably change the subject line.
>
> If you must post other similar PLEASE use OT.
>
> Please think carefully about posting similar.
>
> That's a CAPITAL PLEASE in each case.
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> This thread has wandered a bit but been reasonably relevant
> both to original subject and tag.
>
> HOWEVER - commentary on a country in a general sense with no
> reference to electrical engineering is not relevant to this
> tag. At very best it belongs in [OT].
>
> AND without even having read the page mentioned, it is
> likely that it is marginal for the list at all. ... Reads
>
So read it!
> ... . Marginal. At best it belongs in OT and it will likely
> cause some problems there.
Problems??? Explain please!
> Yes, it's not ideal but hardly
> inconsistent with much that is done all over the world. Not
> nice but also not [EE]. Whether it's [OT] depends on how
> mature we all are.
>
I'm mature. But sometime I have some doubt on you.
Nicola
> Next please
>
>
> Russell
>
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> {Original Message removed}
No, it's the dishonesty in this case, but goes further. The young lady
that was blessed with a fine voice is not being properly recognized. And
this is just some searching in the back roads.
Several months ago, it came out on CCTV9 that the Chinese were cracking
down on copyright infringement. It turns out that it was almost entirely
on the abuse of the Chinese Olympic logos on mechandise.
> At 07:13 AM 8/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>> This is a good example of China:
>>
>> China bans child singer with crooked teeth from singing at opening
>> ceremony
>>
>> www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article4512250.ece
>>
>
> A perfect example of the relentlessly negative news coverage that China has
> been hit with for their big celebration. It's petty, rude and smacks of
> jealousy. It's even embarrassing to the point I would feel the need to
> apologize. Not to mention a lack of perspective on how very far China has come
> since the fifties and sixties (in an absolute sense and compared to other
> 3rd world nations).
>
> I'm sure news crews could have trolled around Atlanta's poor neighborhoods,
> photographed boarded-up buildings, complained about pollution, too photos of
> various stereotypical excesses, and found some ugly or fat kid that didn't
> get picked to participate in the opening ceremony.
>
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>
> Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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>
>
> No, it's the dishonesty in this case, but goes further. The young lady
> that was blessed with a fine voice is not being properly recognized. And
> this is just some searching in the back roads.
So what?
> Several months ago, it came out on CCTV9 that the Chinese were cracking
> down on copyright infringement. It turns out that it was almost entirely
> on the abuse of the Chinese Olympic logos on mechandise.
You would expect them to concentrate mainly on protecting foreigner's profits?
Why do you think the US didn't enforce copyright law after independence?
"..Indeed, ?5 of the Act seems to have been included in order to
encourage piracy of foreign works, reading... "
> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> At 07:13 AM 8/12/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good example of China:
>>>
>>> China bans child singer with crooked teeth from singing at opening
>>> ceremony
>>>
>>> www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article4512250.ece
>>>
>>
>> A perfect example of the relentlessly negative news coverage that China has
>> been hit with for their big celebration. It's petty, rude and smacks of
>> jealousy. It's even embarrassing to the point I would feel the need to
>> apologize. Not to mention a lack of perspective on how very far
>> China has come
>> since the fifties and sixties (in an absolute sense and compared to other
>> 3rd world nations).
>>
>> I'm sure news crews could have trolled around Atlanta's poor neighborhoods,
>> photographed boarded-up buildings, complained about pollution, too photos of
>> various stereotypical excesses, and found some ugly or fat kid that didn't
>> get picked to participate in the opening ceremony.
>>
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>
>> Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is
>> the reward"
>> .....speffKILLspam.....interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
>> Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
On 8/12/08, Spehro Pefhany <EraseMEspeffspam_OUTTakeThisOuTinterlog.com> wrote:
> A perfect example of the relentlessly negative news coverage that China has
> been hit with for their big celebration. It's petty, rude and smacks of
> jealousy.
...
> I'm sure news crews could have trolled around Atlanta's poor neighborhoods
Meh. I recall someone telling me that foreign coverage of the
atlantic olympics showed fat Americans in nearly every other shot.
I'm not surprised they put a pretty face and a pretty voice together -
The opening ceremony is not significantly better than an infomercial
for the country presenting it, why wouldn't they put their best foot
(face) forward? (what surprises me is that over 7 years they couldn't
find both in one girl with their billions of people) The singer was
also pretty, but any focus group will tell you the mime has a face
shape that's more universally considered prettier across more
cultures.
People are curious. It's the nature of countries to field news about
what makes another country unique and different. China has been, is,
and will continue to be very secretive - this story is simply
continuing with how Americans perceive China. It'll take decades of
transparency before this perception changes.
Further, this particular technique is not something that is acceptable
in the US (see the long list of singers that are castigated for miming
their own songs onstage when their voices were off, nevermind singers
like milli vanilli who didn't sing their own songs at all and were
successfully sued for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli#Media_backlash ).
So, yeah. If Beijing didn't want this press, both good and bad, they
shouldn't have requested the spotlight.
However, in the long run, this can only be good for both China and the
world. The fact that this is the biggest negative news story right
now says something.
Carl Denk wrote:
> No, it's the dishonesty in this case, <blah, blah, blah>
I don't understand how people that supposedly know about technology can be
so clueless when it comes to simple things. It is well known that the mail
server assumes a post is tagged for a particular topic if that tag shows up
anywhere in the subject line. Therefore adding OT to the front of the
subject without deleting EE just makes things worse instead of better
because now the message is in both topics. Duh!
I left the header alone so all the other wannabe morons can see it too.
Please delete EE on any replies to this message and any others to the
mistagged message.
> Olin, thanks for reminding me to mention this.
>
> A quick little reminder about topic tags.
>
> It's good to change the topic tag when the thread changes.
>
> Please remember that the tags use OR logic.
>
> So if you tag something "Re: [OT] was Re: [EE]:: Chinese SMD assembler
> required"
> it goes to both [OT] and [EE]
>
> A correct retagging would be "Re: [OT]:: Chinese SMD assembler required"
>
> People who don't subscribe to [OT] won't thank you for doing it
> correctly.
>
> But they will stop using powerful words towards you.
>
> Cheerful regards,
>
> Bob
> Junior piclist admin
> "tries harder"
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:22:39 -0400, "Olin Lathrop"
> <spamBeGoneolin_piclistspamBeGoneembedinc.com> said:
>> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> > Quoting Carl Denk <TakeThisOuTcdenkEraseMEspam_OUTalltel.net>:
>> >> No, it's the ...
>>
>> Get this crap off of EE already.
>
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:29:41 -0400, "Sean Breheny" <RemoveMEshb7TakeThisOuTcornell.edu>
said:
> Bob,
>
> One question: why are we putting two colons after the [EE]?
>
It signifies that Russell started the thread. Yeah, really :)
Cheerful regards,
Bob
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>> Bob,
>> One question: why are we putting two colons after the
>> [EE]?
& Bob replied:
> It signifies that Russell started the thread. Yeah, really
> :)
Well spotted that man.
Some while ago it was necessary to include one colon outside
the square brackets to make a valid tag.
[Thusly]:
At some point the system was changed to make the colon
unnecessary [Thusly] and the colon was then stated to be
optional.
It occurred to me that I could add a double colon with no
effect on tagging [Rusl'y]:: and (as Bob correctly notes)
identify threads that I had started. As far as I know you
are the first person to have queried this even though I've
been doing it for a long while [tm].
I trap copies of replies with [ ]:: to a separate folder
to allow me to instantly see what's happening. I also FWIW
have another less used trap sequence which works in both
body and subject line. It's arguably (even) less obtrusive
but more fragile. Extra points for identifying it. I suspect
Bob hasn't done so so far. (And it's far less used). Those
who wish to annoy me could consider originating [OT]::
threads dealing with US politics, musicals, OS wars or why
Prius's are worse for the planet than Hummers.
Very ingenious... However, you've done the equivalent of giving out your
password here. Even if you change the system, I suspect there will be those
who, now knowing you do such, will forever be identifying the keys and abusing
you with your own system...
The first tier of security is to not reveal you have something in the first place!
>
>
> I trap copies of replies with [ ]:: to a separate folder
> to allow me to instantly see what's happening. I also FWIW
> have another less used trap sequence which works in both
> body and subject line. It's arguably (even) less obtrusive
> but more fragile. Extra points for identifying it. I suspect
> Bob hasn't done so so far. (And it's far less used). Those
> who wish to annoy me could consider originating [OT]::
> threads dealing with US politics, musicals, OS wars or why
> Prius's are worse for the planet than Hummers.
>
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
Dr Skip wrote:
> Very ingenious... However, you've done the equivalent of giving out your
> password here. Even if you change the system, I suspect there will be those
> who, now knowing you do such, will forever be identifying the keys and abusing
> you with your own system...
>
> The first tier of security is to not reveal you have something in the first place!
That technique goes back a ways. People often used it with snail-mail.
Sign up for a subscription to a magazine with a special middle initial
or a different first name, etc. Then when you begin to get junk mail to
that name, you know they sold your address. Using it to sort email is a
clever hack to an old idea.
> Very ingenious... However, you've done the equivalent of
> giving out your
> password here.
Aye. But Bob was the one who 'cracked my (pretty obvious)
system'.
and
> Even if you change the system, I suspect there will be
> those
> who, now knowing you do such, will forever be identifying
> the keys and abusing
> you with your own system...
as I said :-)
>> Those
>> who wish to annoy me could consider originating [OT]::
>> threads dealing with US politics, musicals, OS wars or
>> why
>> Prius's are worse for the planet than Hummers.
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