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'[OT] UNSUBSCRIBE options'
1999\03\04@211739 by Mark Willis

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(continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)

 If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)

 I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
pretty easily I think.

 I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -

 Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

 Mark

1999\03\05@091421 by Roger Shane

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I'm on another list that assigns a seperate unsubscribe address for each
person and, I'm sure, filters of some sort to implement automatically...my
footer is:

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You are currently subscribed to treatment as: spam_OUTrogerTakeThisOuTspamwnet.net.th
To unsubscribe send a blank email to
.....leave-treatment-3447GKILLspamspam@spam@listserv.waternet.com


Don't know if this is feasible/useable here or not, just my 2 baht 50
satangs worth.

Regards/Roger, in Bangkok
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Subject:        [OT] UNSUBSCRIBE options

(continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)

 If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)

 I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
pretty easily I think.

 I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -

 Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

 Mark





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1999\03\05@092521 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Mark Willis wrote:
>
> (continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)
>
>   If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
> sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
> of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)
>
>   I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
> done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
> pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
> towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
> do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
> pretty easily I think.
>
>   I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -
>
>   Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.

Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I suppose)
2) Have no subject line
3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore it,
  also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second confirmation message"
4) Change its own reply-to address back

Ideally, we could also add a few profanities, but we could leave that for now ;)

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1999\03\05@142937 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 14:17 03/05/99 +0200, Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
>Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
>the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
>1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I
>suppose)
>2) Have no subject line
>3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore
>it,
>   also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second
>confirmation message"
>4) Change its own reply-to address back

i don't know about the list server, but with my email client this would
(almost) be possible, if i understand you correctly. the tough part for an
email client is not to put in the reply-to header (i can do that, and put
in there whatever i want), but to reply only to the "offender". this seems
to be beyond the scope of most normal email client filters.

ge

1999\03\05@161509 by Mark Willis

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Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
>
> Mark Willis wrote:
> >
> > (continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)
> > <snipped>
> >   Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>
>
> It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
> offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
> the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
> beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.
>
> Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
> the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
> 1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I suppo
se)
> 2) Have no subject line
> 3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore it
,
>    also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second confirmation
message"
> 4) Change its own reply-to address back
>
> Ideally, we could also add a few profanities, but we could leave that for now
;)
>
> --
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 I don't think the Subject line being blank is a necessity at all.  I
think it just plain is IGNORED (I've put a copy of the text body in the
subject line, a number of times, on various mailing engines & had zero
problems.  Ignored is ignored is ignored <G>)  I'll read the manual on
that to check.

 It's going to take until Monday for me to get a chance to read the
manual (I'll take ALL DAY today to get my inbox read at this rate!) and
there are a few other things going on (Turns out my ISP is, knowingly or
not, harboring a company that sells SPAMware, if they're going to keep
doing that I'll be moving to another ISP by Monday or so, I'm hoping
they just nuke them.)  And today's Rent day (Probably ought to go handle
that! <G>)

 I've set up a smaller group on an e-mail, we can all discuss this off
the list somewhat I suppose, to not flood those who aren't interested.
I'll catch up today on everything.  I thought of something like that in
the message off-group already, but until I read the manual I'll not know
what the mail list server CAN do, or if it'd be better to do something
else in parallel (I have, Um, "MANY" computers here, it'd be easy enough
to have one set up a proposed e-mail for me, quoting the person who
posted any mail with "Unsub" or "Signoff" or whatever in the subject or
text, running NetTamer or something, and I could just hit Send or
Delete, on one of the tiny Siig 286's I have here.  Or an old 386 or 486
or spare slower Pentium.)

 Mark

1999\03\05@161513 by Mark Willis

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
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 No software engineers on the list, are there?  <EG>

 I suspect something is out there under Linux to do just that, need to
go look!

 Mark

1999\03\05@170121 by Alan King

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 Unsubscribe is a pretty useless word in Piclist context.  Why not just
have the list look through the messages coming in, and if unsubscribe is
anywhere in it, remove that email address from the list.
 The list is checking at least part of the message for dupes anyway, so
looking for that shouldn't add too much.  Would also instantly kill all
the unsubscribe discussions! ;)  If I were a betting man, (Ha, $100
anyone?) I'd put money on the people who want to be on the list figuring
out how to get back on (and avoiding the word 'unsubscribe'!) working a
lot better than people who don't have a clue figuring out how to get
off.  No redirecting or any other complicated crap, just SIGNOFF PICLIST
everyone who sends a mail with unsubscribe anywhere in it..
Alan



Mark Willis wrote:
>
> Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
> >
> > Mark Willis wrote:
> > It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
> > offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
> > the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
> > beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.

1999\03\07@150815 by Dwayne Reid

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>Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
>the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
>1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I
suppose)
>2) Have no subject line
>3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore
it,

** insert a line with the word 'END' in it.  Then the following lines can
contain all the informative stuff.

>   also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second
confirmation message"


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