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2011\10\07@053526 by Electron

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At 00.34 2011.10.07, you wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Electron <spam_OUTelectron2k4TakeThisOuTspaminfinito.it> wrote:
>> Another key fact: Amish people do not vaccinate. They're free from the
>> autism pandemy we're facing. Why?
>
>It wouldn't be diagnosed, that's why.

Well, put it this other way: those that were diagnosed in the past and those
that are diagnosed today are almost same number. Things haven't gotten worse.

They have for the rest of the population, and certainly not just because more
docs are likely to diagnose them today: this has an influence but is very
little on the total.

But, if we wish, we can ignore that pollution is bad, heavy metals are toxic,
etc.. and vaccination of new births (which don't even have a working immune
system yet) is a complete medical nonsense. But it is a big business, too.

2011\10\07@055113 by alan.b.pearce

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> >> Another key fact: Amish people do not vaccinate. They're free from the
> >> autism pandemy we're facing. Why?
> >
> >It wouldn't be diagnosed, that's why.
>
> Well, put it this other way: those that were diagnosed in the past and those
> that are diagnosed today are almost same number. Things haven't gotten worse.
>
> They have for the rest of the population, and certainly not just because more
> docs are likely to diagnose them today: this has an influence but is very
> little on the total.

Or is this just that are more visible today instead of being put into institutions as 'mad' or some other classification. People with these conditions may also have been more subject to neglect as children and therefore departed this scene at an earlier age that they would now.
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2011\10\07@060959 by Richard Pytelewski

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Electron:

I worked in the pharmaceutical product development and testing environment
(in several companies) for 20+ years and we tested for such adverse
reactions ad nauseum.  The scientific public, including many who are not
associated with industry, but are educators and pure scientists, have
dismissed these claims as untrue and with no basis in fact.

Truth be told, with over 6 billion people and our genetic diversity, there
WILL be some singular occurrences of reactions to anything.... like people
with peanut butter or lactose allergies.  It is unfortunate but until we can
associate a medicament/drug to genetic determinants, we will not know if a
reaction (or effectiveness) will result.  I believe we are at least a
generation away from such solutions.

Rich

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2011\10\07@062845 by alan.b.pearce

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> I worked in the pharmaceutical product development and testing environment
> (in several companies) for 20+ years and we tested for such adverse
> reactions ad nauseum.  The scientific public, including many who are not
> associated with industry, but are educators and pure scientists, have
> dismissed these claims as untrue and with no basis in fact.
>
> Truth be told, with over 6 billion people and our genetic diversity, there
> WILL be some singular occurrences of reactions to anything.... like people
> with peanut butter or lactose allergies.  It is unfortunate but until we can
> associate a medicament/drug to genetic determinants, we will not know if a
> reaction (or effectiveness) will result.  I believe we are at least a
> generation away from such solutions.

I also suspect that if a person has such a reaction to vaccine, then they are most likely to have suffered badly from the same disease if they hadn't been vaccinated. Certainly vaccines like polio and smallpox (for example, but not limited to these) have saved many people from what are deadly or lifetime debilitation diseases.
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2011\10\07@092617 by M.L.

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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Electron <.....electron2k4KILLspamspam@spam@infinito.it> wrote:
> Well, put it this other way: those that were diagnosed in the past and those
> that are diagnosed today are almost same number. Things haven't gotten worse.
>
> They have for the rest of the population, and certainly not just because more
> docs are likely to diagnose them today: this has an influence but is very
> little on the total.
>

What you have stated is nothing more than conjecture unless you can back it up.
If you make a claim that the sky is falling you should provide a piece
of the sky as evidence.

Or I'll say this: vaccines have been specifically proven to not cause
autism. You don't have any information showing otherwise other than
your limited knowledge about a small American subculture which doesn't
frequent "English" doctors.
-- Martin K

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