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Bob Blick wrote: > Does anyone else think Nabble is a net negative? > > Did anyone who is now subscribed to the piclist start posting from > Nabble originally? Would you have subscribed without Nabble? > > Because I think Nabble has negatively impacted the piclist. Not bigtime, > but a little bit. Why is it "net negative"? Is this one of your attempts to make PicList a tightly policed private "PIC-only" club? ;) I subscribed the "normal" way, but I find Nabble useful when searching PicList archives. Often when googling for something, I find the answer in a PicList post, courtesy of Nabble. Vitaliy

Have you noticed the posts from Nabble? Xiaofan won't even bother replying if it's posted from Nabble, and I can relate. I know it's stereotyping, but it's a useful (and flawed of course) tool for admins. Teachers also stereotype their students, and since I was a teacher it's a tool I am familiar with. Teachers are close enough to police, so you made a good call :) Cheerful regards, Bob Vitaliy wrote: {Quote hidden}> Bob Blick wrote: >> Does anyone else think Nabble is a net negative? >> >> Did anyone who is now subscribed to the piclist start posting from >> Nabble originally? Would you have subscribed without Nabble? >> >> Because I think Nabble has negatively impacted the piclist. Not bigtime, >> but a little bit. > > Why is it "net negative"? Is this one of your attempts to make PicList a > tightly policed private "PIC-only" club? ;) > > I subscribed the "normal" way, but I find Nabble useful when searching > PicList archives. Often when googling for something, I find the answer in a > PicList post, courtesy of Nabble. > > Vitaliy >

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Bob Blick <spam_OUTbobblickTakeThisOuTftml.net> wrote: > Does anyone else think Nabble is a net negative? Nope, and in fact I use it occasionally to post references to older threads in the piclist (I haven't had as much success with other archives as I've had with Nabble in terms of finding posts and speed) > Did anyone who is now subscribed to the piclist start posting from > Nabble originally? Would you have subscribed without Nabble? I subscribed directly, but if you're asking if Nabble is a source of subscribers, I'd guess that there must be a few people who joined after reading posts on Nabble. I suspect a search of email addresses and headers would show whether someone posted via nabble before posting via .....piclistKILLspam@spam@mit.edu, but you wouldn't be able to detect this if they saw it on nabble and joined piclist before posting. I can't think of the reverse happening - people leaving because of what they saw coming from Nabble, but it sounds like at least one piclist member actively ignores posts from nabble. I'm sure there are many people on the piclist that have at least one other member in the blacklist, though, so this is particularly compelling evidence of badness. > Because I think Nabble has negatively impacted the piclist. Well, of the posts I can immediately search (back to september 2005, so about 3 years) there have been 265 threads that have involved the word "nabble" in either the footer, to: or from:, or other header, or someplace else in the body. Now some of those were people simply referring to posts, as opposed to people posting from Nabble. The few that I sampled were not offensive by any measure I could think of, and appeared to be suitable (ie, on topic) for the list. But I'm sure there have been posts that are mis-tagged, or off-topic. Fortunately, those that don't bother to correctly tag posts end up bothering only those members that want to receive all messages, including untagged messages. Further, there were over 9,300 threads during that time, so threads with even a mention of nabble account for less than 3% of the list threads. So, I guess I don't know where you're coming from. Has Nabble always been a problem from the time it started archiving the piclist, or is something new happening? Are people complaining? I know posters who won't touch a thread once certain individuals have posted to it, but nothing is done, so what makes nabble any different than a slightly odd, very eccentric, scatterbrained member? > Not bigtime, but a little bit. There's always another 1% of optimization to be had. It's nice, however, that this little problem is your biggest concern right now - sounds like the piclist is going ok. -Adam -- Save Money * Save Oil * Save Lives * Save the Planet http://www.driveslowly.org

Bob Blick wrote: > Have you noticed the posts from Nabble? Xiaofan won't even bother > replying if it's posted from Nabble, and I can relate. I know it's > stereotyping, but it's a useful (and flawed of course) tool for admins. > Teachers also stereotype their students, and since I was a teacher it's > a tool I am familiar with. OMG, poor kids! :) BTW, thanks for mentioning that you were a teacher at some point in your career, it really helps put things in perspective (regarding your views on taxes, government, minimum wage, etc). > Teachers are close enough to police, so you made a good call :) I really hope you won't use your position of authority to impose your particular vision of PICList on the other inhabitants of this diverse marketplace of ideas. :) Vitaliy

M. Adam Davis wrote: > I can't think of the reverse happening - people leaving because of > what they saw coming from Nabble, but it sounds like at least one > piclist member actively ignores posts from nabble. When he mentioned it, he was using it as an indicator of posts not worth taking his limited amount of time to reply to. So I started paying attention, and basically I have to agree. > There's always another 1% of optimization to be had. It's nice, > however, that this little problem is your biggest concern right now - > sounds like the piclist is going ok. The piclist is always OK, my personal PID loop still needs tuning, I am still oscillating wildly :) Cheerful regards, Bob

Vitaliy wrote: > Bob Blick wrote: >> Teachers also stereotype their students, and since I was a teacher it's >> a tool I am familiar with. > > OMG, poor kids! :) I'm fairly troll-resistant tonight, so that doesn't bother me. > BTW, thanks for mentioning that you were a teacher at some point in your > career, it really helps put things in perspective (regarding your views on > taxes, government, minimum wage, etc). I think the main influence being a teacher had on me was learning to assess people from various cues. I got pretty good at figuring out someone's IQ and what way they needed information delivered to them. My views on the other topics you mentioned were not necessarily formed by being a teacher, and in truth I was trolling anyway so my real views are still my own. >> Teachers are close enough to police, so you made a good call :) > > I really hope you won't use your position of authority to impose your > particular vision of PICList on the other inhabitants of this diverse > marketplace of ideas. :) Haven't I already? It's been years since I posted on [OT] and look at me now. Cheerful regards, Bob

>> >> Have you noticed the posts from Nabble? Xiaofan won't even bother >> replying if it's posted from Nabble, and I can relate. The nice thing about a fairly large mailing list like piclist. For each highly skilled poster (Xiaofan, Olin, Bob, Scott, etc) who doesn't have the patience or inclination to answer stupid questions from rank newbies, there are (or at least there ought to be) several people of lesser skills that are still adequate to answer those questions. It's almost like this is the "pay forward" price of admission - if you want to ask difficult questions and get answers from the experts, it's your duty to answer the questions you are capable of answering. I notice this on the CadSoft EAGLE forums as well; I suspect the cadsoft employees would go crazy answering the same stupid questions over and over again, but they don't have to. Various people in their user community help out. In some sense, this is what makes a list/forum successful. Lists were there are a small number of people answering questions, and large number of people asking questions, tend to be boring. And then they fail, because the people with the answers get tired. BillW

Vitaliy wrote: > Bob Blick wrote: >> Have you noticed the posts from Nabble? Xiaofan won't even bother >> replying if it's posted from Nabble, and I can relate. I know it's >> stereotyping, but it's a useful (and flawed of course) tool for admins. >> Teachers also stereotype their students, and since I was a teacher it's >> a tool I am familiar with. > > OMG, poor kids! :) > > BTW, thanks for mentioning that you were a teacher at some point in your > career, it really helps put things in perspective (regarding your views on > taxes, government, minimum wage, etc). Why is every post you make distill everything to taxes, government, minimum wage, etc? - Martin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" <martinKILLspamnnytech.net> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <.....piclistKILLspam.....mit.edu> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Nabble - bad? <snip> > > Why is every post you make distill everything to taxes, government, > minimum wage, etc? > > - > Martin <snip> After reading this I checked on his post and out of the last 72 or 73 I found about 12 that talked about the subjects you stated. And most of these were in response to statements by others. I do not think this makes every post he makes distill everything to taxes, government, minimum wage, etc. Derward

Derward Myrick wrote: {Quote hidden}> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin" <EraseMEmartinspam_OUTTakeThisOuTnnytech.net> > To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclistspam_OUTmit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] Nabble - bad? > > > <snip> >> Why is every post you make distill everything to taxes, government, >> minimum wage, etc? >> >> - >> Martin > <snip> > After reading this I checked on his post and out of the last 72 or 73 > I found about 12 that talked about the subjects you stated. And most > of these were in response to statements by others. I do not think this > makes every post he makes distill everything to taxes, government, > minimum wage, etc. > > Derward > > > > > Just the ones I read, then. You have a lot of free time. - Martin

Martin wrote: >> Bob Blick wrote: >>> Teachers also stereotype their students, and since I was a teacher it's >>> a tool I am familiar with. >> >> BTW, thanks for mentioning that you were a teacher at some point in your >> career, it really helps put things in perspective (regarding your views >> on >> taxes, government, minimum wage, etc). > > Why is every post you make distill everything to taxes, government, > minimum wage, etc? I'm sorry it looks to you that way. I do have a strong interest in economics, however I disagree with your assessment. I have many other interests. I think it may be difficult to understand my comment unless you put it in the proper context. Bob Blick made posts regarding the same exact subjects, and his views on those subjects are very different from mine. I believe that fundamentally, the differences have to do with the fact that my views originate with my experiences as a business owner, and Bob's by his experiences as a teacher. Vitaliy

Vitaliy wrote: > I think it may be difficult to understand my comment unless you put it in > the proper context. Bob Blick made posts regarding the same exact subjects, > and his views on those subjects are very different from mine. I believe that > fundamentally, the differences have to do with the fact that my views > originate with my experiences as a business owner, and Bob's by his > experiences as a teacher. I think you oversimplify and make assumptions about me that have little bearing in reality. Teaching has been only a part of my career, and I have also been a small business owner like yourself. The only irrefutable truth I can point out is that I have had a longer and more varied career, so I feel can speak with experience from more angles than you. If you are interested in baiting me, good luck, I'm used to telling kids to get off my lawn. But as amusing as it may be to them, the whole piclist doesn't need to hear it. And last night a ceiling joist broke in my house and a roof truss poked through the ceiling, so I should get back in the attic and try to do what I can do to fix it. Cheerful regards, Bob

Bob Blick wrote: > I think you oversimplify and make assumptions about me that have little > bearing in reality. Teaching has been only a part of my career, and I > have also been a small business owner like yourself. The only > irrefutable truth I can point out is that I have had a longer and more > varied career, so I feel can speak with experience from more angles than > you. Bob, you don't know me well enough to make such assertions. Being older doesn't necessarily mean being wiser, or being right, for that matter. > If you are interested in baiting me, good luck, I'm used to telling > kids to get off my lawn. I don't know what about what I said you consider "bait". FWIW, I don't ever recall trying to belittle you, or calling you a troll, or saying that your statements are B.S. > But as amusing as it may be to them, the whole > piclist doesn't need to hear it. Should I take it to mean that you want the last word? > And last night a ceiling joist broke in > my house and a roof truss poked through the ceiling, so I should get > back in the attic and try to do what I can do to fix it. I am sorry to hear about your troubles. Good luck with the repairs. Vitaliy

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Perhaps remote temperature monitoring? It's been about 125 F up there all day. I've had to stop until it cools down. Cheers, Bob Rolf wrote: {Quote hidden}> Vitaliy wrote: >> Bob Blick wrote: >> >> [snip] >>> And last night a ceiling joist broke in >>> my house and a roof truss poked through the ceiling, so I should get >>> back in the attic and try to do what I can do to fix it. >>> >> I am sorry to hear about your troubles. Good luck with the repairs. >> >> Vitaliy >> >> > > And what I want to know is how a PIC can be used as part of the > solution.... ;-) > > Rolf

You know when you are at the lumber yard and there's a pile of 2x4 lumber that's been picked through already, and nobody will buy it because it's broken? They build houses with it, with no regard for where the worst pieces are used. And there's a part of the roof where they start doing multiple angles and one of the trusses had an intersection(I don't know the correct term) about 6 inches away from an interior bearing wall, and the ceiling joist happened to have an incredibly weak spot right there, and the load must have been pretty high probably due to the unusual combination of angles. And for some reason ceiling joists in this type of construction are just 2x4 and it sheared with a bang, breaking through the sheetrock ceiling. So I have it jacked up and I'm sistering all the wood in that area. Cheerful regards, Bob Dave Lagzdin wrote: {Quote hidden}> 2008/8/27 Bob Blick <TakeThisOuTbobblickEraseMEspam_OUTftml.net> > >> And last night a ceiling joist broke in >> my house and a roof truss poked through the ceiling, so I should get >> back in the attic and try to do what I can do to fix it. >> >> Cheerful regards, >> Bob >> > > I can't even envision the events leading to that scenario, > Clay roof tiles? tree? wind load and no toenails or hurricane straps? > missing collar ties? > D

I have drop bears in my rafters =[ On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Josh Koffman <joshybearEraseME.....gmail.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jinx <EraseMEjoecolquittclear.net.nz> wrote: > >> > And last night a ceiling joist broke in > >> > >> I can't even envision the events leading to that scenario, > >> Clay roof tiles? tree? wind load and no toenails or hurricane straps? > >> missing collar ties? > > > > Maybe Rodent Of Unusual Size popped in > > Oh, I don't think they actually exist. > > Josh > -- > A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools. > -Douglas Adams > -