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2006\01\14@135601 by Mike Hord

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I'll be in LA this coming weekend (mid Thursday to mid Monday)
and I'm wondering if any PICLister's want to grab a beer or coffee
or cigar or sandwich and shoot the bull for a little while.

Also wondering what anyone would tell me not to miss in the
area.  I have NO commitments during that time; it is a purely
enjoyment-based trip with a car rental involved.  Cost is not
NO object, but suitably interesting attractions will be evaluated
with an eye towards experiencing the best the area has to offer
rather than minimizing price.

James, in particular, if it's at all within range, I'd like to meet you.

Mike H.

2006\01\15@115016 by Mike Hord

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Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
Angeles?

Mike H.

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I'll be in LA this coming weekend (mid Thursday to mid Monday)
and I'm wondering if any PICLister's want to grab a beer or coffee
or cigar or sandwich and shoot the bull for a little while.

Also wondering what anyone would tell me not to miss in the
area.  I have NO commitments during that time; it is a purely
enjoyment-based trip with a car rental involved.  Cost is not
NO object, but suitably interesting attractions will be evaluated
with an eye towards experiencing the best the area has to offer
rather than minimizing price.

James, in particular, if it's at all within range, I'd like to meet you.

Mike H.

2006\01\15@120139 by David VanHorn

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On 1/15/06, Mike Hord <mike.hordspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
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> Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
> Angeles?


I used to live there. (anaslime actually)   15 mile commute, 45 minutes.

2006\01\15@120235 by Carey Fisher - NCS

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Mike Hord wrote:
> Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
> Angeles?
>
> Mike H.

La Brea Tar Pits

2006\01\15@120714 by Josh Koffman

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On 1/15/06, Mike Hord <.....mike.hordKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
> Angeles?

Um...have a nice trip, wish I was going too?

:)

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2006\01\15@152401 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 10:50 AM 1/15/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
>Angeles?

C&H sales on Colorado in Pasadena for surplus, closed Sundays, IIRC.
Little Tokyo if you like Japanese food.
Monterrey Park if you like Chinese food (rather than Chinatown).
I enjoyed visiting the LA Police Academy, but I'm strange. Nice
collection of high-powered handguns for sale.

;-)




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2006\01\15@173558 by Jinx

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> Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
> Angeles?

If you see Adam Sandler, throw something at him

Please

2006\01\15@202026 by William Chops Westfield

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On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Mike Hord wrote:

> No one has anything to say about Los Angeles?

The "Los Angeles area" is very big with very much to do, all
depending on your particular interests.  Much of it is mainstream
tourist-y stuff: disneyland, knottsberry farms, universal studios,
medieval knights, etc...  I dunno if there's anything of particular
interest to techy types.

BillW

2006\01\15@212702 by James Newtons Massmind

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Sorry, just now saw this message.

Yes, by all means let me know your schedule and we will try to meet. I'm
about 1.5 to 2 hours south of LA, but I work in Temecula which is about 1
hour south on the 415/I-15 (eastern freeways which run north/south)

LA has a word class aquarium, an ok science museum and probably a lot more I
don't know about. Look for a local Fry's Electronics as that is worth the
trip.

What sort of things are you interested in.

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James.



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2006\01\15@214203 by Jinx

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> I dunno if there's anything of particular interest to techy types

Wonder if you contacted the LA County Council, Chamber Of
Commerce, something like that, you'd get a list of displays,
exhibitions, museums, sites of interest (eg scientific history,
Army Surplus !!!)

http://aal.ucsd.edu/musla.html

http://www.petersen.org/default.cfm?docid=201

2006\01\15@214610 by shoppa piclist

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William "Chops" Westfield <@spam@westfwKILLspamspammac.com> wrote:
> > No one has anything to say about Los Angeles?
> I dunno if there's anything of particular interest to techy types.

C&H Surplus in Pasadena. Lots of electromech/pneumatics/hydraulics.
 Misc tools and test equipment (usually but not always overpriced).
All Electronics in Van Nuys. Lotsa surplus parts/assemblies from
 consumer and some industrial stuff.
TRW Swapmeet once a month. Not the world's best hamfest but there are
 worse.

Tim.

2006\01\15@214748 by Jon Philpott

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Mike Hord wrote:

>Seriously?  No one has anything to say about Los
>Angeles?
>  
>
I just moved here from the UK, I'm still trying to get my bearings!

I love Fry's in City of Industry tho

2006\01\15@234133 by David VanHorn

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> I just moved here from the UK, I'm still trying to get my bearings!


I could make a joke about McMaster Carr, but I won't.
But if you're ever in search of a good screw, that's the place to go!

2006\01\16@090344 by alan smith

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I got lost there once....sometimes you see parts of places, that you shouldn't....

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2006\01\16@142328 by David VanHorn

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On 1/16/06, alan smith <RemoveMEmicro_eng2TakeThisOuTspamyahoo.com> wrote:
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> I got lost there once....sometimes you see parts of places, that you
> shouldn't....


I did that in Taipei once, it's more fun when you don't speak the language!
:)

2006\01\16@152246 by James Humes

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That happened to me in Shanghai once..    I found it less fun that time:)
At 4AM when your taxi driver A) won't accept your directions B) you've left
the city of Shanghai and C) won't slow down enough to let you out things
begin to take a different color:)  In the end I think he was just joyriding
me around for a higher cab fare.

On 1/16/06, David VanHorn <spamBeGonedvanhornspamBeGonespammicrobrix.com> wrote:
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> On 1/16/06, alan smith <TakeThisOuTmicro_eng2EraseMEspamspam_OUTyahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got lost there once....sometimes you see parts of places, that you
> > shouldn't....
>
>
> I did that in Taipei once, it's more fun when you don't speak the
> language!
> :)
> -

2006\01\16@173047 by Howard Winter

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James,

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:22:45 -0700, James Humes wrote:

> That happened to me in Shanghai once..    I found it less fun that time:)
> At 4AM when your taxi driver A) won't accept your directions B) you've left
> the city of Shanghai and C) won't slow down enough to let you out things
> begin to take a different color:)  In the end I think he was just joyriding
> me around for a higher cab fare.

You got Shanghaied?  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\01\16@174045 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 02:23 PM 1/16/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>On 1/16/06, alan smith <RemoveMEmicro_eng2spamTakeThisOuTyahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got lost there once....sometimes you see parts of places, that you
> > shouldn't....
>
>
>I did that in Taipei once, it's more fun when you don't speak the language!
>:)

I got lost in the Tokyo subway one time and ended up in the workers' part
with colorful steam pipes all over the place... some guy in a hardhat led
me out. Must have passed some major Japanese  signs saying no admittance.

Then there was the time I got lost in the fog in Tirana, Albania. A soldier
offered me a cigarette and helped me find my way, after he decided not to
kill me and stopped pointing the loaded AK-47 at my chest. 8-(

Yes, it can be fun. Watch where you get lost in LA, especially after dark,
and especially if you are unarmed. Just a few blocks can make a big
difference to safety. Oh, if you like movies, catch a flick in Westwood
with the UCLA students. Their enthusiasm is worth the price of admission.

>Best regards,

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2006\01\16@174316 by David VanHorn

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> You got Shanghaied?  :-)


Taken for a ride, anyhow.

2006\01\16@175739 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

> Yes, it can be fun. Watch where you get lost in LA, especially after dark,
> and especially if you are unarmed.

Don't know about the unarmed thing, but don't sleep on the porch of empty
houses as I used to do all over Europe :)  When I did that during my first
visit to the US in the 80ies, that was the first time I had a gun pointed
at me. Gladly that was the gun of a nice cop...

Gerhard

2006\01\16@182939 by David VanHorn

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> I got lost in the Tokyo subway one time and ended up in the workers' part
> with colorful steam pipes all over the place... some guy in a hardhat led
> me out. Must have passed some major Japanese  signs saying no admittance.


:)

I did that on an aircraft carrier once, ended up in the CIC.
That was a restricted area, but I apparently found the only unmarked and
unguarded door.
Made for a fun day.. Lots of classified stuff in there.

2006\01\16@183146 by alan smith

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After all the scary stories.....
 
 I think Mike will find his hotel....close the door...lock it.....and spend time wring code...


               
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2006\01\16@191533 by Bill & Pookie

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My only night in Rio de Janeiro I got on a little electric trolly car and
rode off to fame and fortune.  After a while I noticed that something was
wrong by the way the driver was montioning to the conductor.  Turns out that
he was getting a shock from the g'o slow' control.  It was fun watching
their gestures, as i had no idea of what they were saying.  Then after the
conductor got shocked him self, they stopped the trolley and every one got
off.  Having no idea of where I was, just started walking and pass a bar
where, as most bars, there were tables on the sidewalk.  There were some US
peace corp. people having a drink and I joined them.  Later they took me to
a mountain top hotel to have a drink and afterwards delivered me to my ship
at the dock.  Someone does look after fools.

Bill


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2006\01\16@230144 by Mike Hord

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> After all the scary stories.....
>
>  I think Mike will find his hotel....close the door...lock it.....and spend time wring code...

Never!  I'm not afraid.  I'm hardly a city mouse, but I've been in
a few bigger towns in my life.  Not afraid of traffic or driving in an
unfamiliar area, either.

It should be an interesting trip, if too short to do anything really
extraordinary...

Mike H.

2006\01\16@232137 by Padu

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I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil and it is at least 5 times bigger than LA (more
in terms of criminality and violence). I live in San Diego now and sometimes
I drive up to meet some clientes. For my reference points, LA is not
dangerous at all.

Padu

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2006\01\17@075109 by olin piclist

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Mike Hord wrote:
> Never!  I'm not afraid.  I'm hardly a city mouse, but I've been in
> a few bigger towns in my life.  Not afraid of traffic or driving in an
> unfamiliar area, either.
>
> It should be an interesting trip, if too short to do anything really
> extraordinary...

The last time I was in Anaheim a bunch of years ago, I had most of a Sunday
with nothing to do.  I started walking around from the convention center and
came accross one of the "rivers" they have there.  Now this isn't a nice
scenic waterway with trees shading the bank and fish swimming beneath.  It's
more like a large concrete ditch a few 100 feet accross with trash lining
the bottom.  I didn't see any water.  Anyway it was easy to walk on, so it
occurred to me to follow it to the ocean.  Even though it was a glorified
storm drain, I figured that's where the water was intended to end up and it
did seem to be going roughly west.  It's a lot quieter walking on a "river"
than an LA street, and you see things from a different perspective.  After a
few miles I ran into a construction crew.  Yes, the river was under
construction.  They gave me strange looks, but I tried to stay out of their
way and nobody said anything.

After a few more miles I ran into a cop.  He wasn't so nice, and told me the
river was off limits and I wasn't allowed to walk on it, even though I saw
no signs to that effect.  He made me get off the river onto a small local
road, and wasn't at all helpful when I tried to find out where I was.  I had
a map with me, but it only showed major roads.  He acted like my being lost
was suitable punishment for the major crime of walking on the river.  Maybe
they have a lot of problem in LA with people stealing the trash or somehow
vandalizing this concrete ditch.

By now it was mid day, so I kept the sun roughly to my left and eventually
got onto bigger and bigger roads until one was long and straight and going
west.  This one went thru a more upper class area, which you can tell
because instead of little fences at the sidewalk they have concrete walls 6
feet high, sometimes with glass shards embedded in mortar on top.  After a
few more miles of this, it turned into an oil field.  There were oil pumps
everywhere, then a large oil company building (don't remember which one).
Shortly after that was the ocean.  The water was warm and I had a nice swim.

I got about half way back to Anaheim on a different road a little further
south than the one I'd come on when I remembered there was a reception that
night associated with the conference, so I took a bus back the rest of the
way.  That was an experience too, since you're apparently just supposed to
know how the bus system works.  Any holder for leaflets was empty, and the
signs only made sense if you already knew what you wanted to know.  After
trying to ask the locals, you find out that few of them know more than how
to get to those places they often go to, and even fewer are capable of
explaining anything in terms that make sense to someone who is not familiar
with the area.  In hindsight, I probably just should have kept walking, but
it was getting dark and I was getting tired so it wasn't as much fun
anymore.

All in all it was a fun day.  The only down side was I got to the reception
after most of the food was already gone.


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2006\01\17@084735 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 07:52 AM 1/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>..  so I took a bus back the rest of the
>way.  That was an experience too, since you're apparently just supposed to
>know how the bus system works.  Any holder for leaflets was empty, and the
>signs only made sense if you already knew what you wanted to know.  After
>trying to ask the locals, you find out that few of them know more than how
>to get to those places they often go to, and even fewer are capable of
>explaining anything in terms that make sense to someone who is not familiar
>with the area.  In hindsight, I probably just should have kept walking, but
>it was getting dark and I was getting tired so it wasn't as much fun
>anymore.

Anaheim is in Orange County, so not really LA, although there is no clear
demarcation- it's all one huge expanse of sprawling sun-bleached mostly
low-rise
palm-lined strip-mall city.

I have never tried to take the Los Angeles public transit (a car is *really*
what you need), but there was a friend who stayed with me one time and he
tried to take the bus system. Apparently, at least at the time, it was
strictly a "star" system rather than the grid type system that we're used
to in cities where regular folks use the 'zit. So you end up having to go
into the center of the city and back again to go anywhere, meaning a trip
that would be 30 minutes by car (practically everything is 30 minutes from
everything else) would take a long and fairly variable couple of hours. The
relatively new light rail system looks pretty decent, but I've not had any
reason to try it.

Best regards,

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2006\01\17@091557 by olin piclist

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> Anaheim is in Orange County, so not really LA,

Certainly true, and I'm sure meaningful to the locals, but when you're from
3000 miles away it's all Los Angeles.  I guess anything in the LA basin
seems like LA to us foreigners.

Someone from Phoenix (or Scottsdale, or Chandler, or ...) might say they
went to a conference in Boston even if it was really in the People's
Republic of Cambridge.  A little thing like a river causing a name change is
lost in the confusion of twisty one way roads.  We also keep them guessing
by only labeling cross streets and not the street they're on, then silently
changing the name of that street at the next town border.  It's like the LA
bus system, you just gotta know.


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2006\01\17@095315 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Someone from Phoenix (or Scottsdale, or Chandler, or ...)
>might say they went to a conference in Boston even if it
>was really in the People's Republic of Cambridge.  A little
>thing like a river causing a name change is lost in the
>confusion of twisty one way roads.

<VBG> the city of Oxford in the UK is in the county of Oxford, but it used
to be that the railway station for the city was not in the county. The city
is one side of the River Thames, and the railway station the other side, and
the Thames used to be the county boundary. Relatively recently (in the 70's
so I have been told) the government of the day saw fit to move the county
boundaries around, so now the railway station is in the county of Oxford.

2006\01\17@110746 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:16 AM 1/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > Anaheim is in Orange County, so not really LA,
>
>Certainly true, and I'm sure meaningful to the locals, but when you're from
>3000 miles away it's all Los Angeles.  I guess anything in the LA basin
>seems like LA to us foreigners.

;-)

>Someone from Phoenix (or Scottsdale, or Chandler, or ...) might say they
>went to a conference in Boston even if it was really in the People's
>Republic of Cambridge.  A little thing like a river causing a name change is
>lost in the confusion of twisty one way roads.  We also keep them guessing
>by only labeling cross streets and not the street they're on, then silently
>changing the name of that street at the next town border.  It's like the LA
>bus system, you just gotta know.

Yes. Boston is fun to drive in. ;-)

The other thing is the LA freeway system. They don't put a lot of
West/East/North
South markings on the freeways, so you sort of have to have a mental map of
a whole bunch of the 100 or so cities that make up the Los Angeles area.
You *will* have to make up your mind in a split second if someplace like
"Pomona" is what you want to travel towards or away from. I think it's an
excellent system overall, but I could imagine someone from a smaller city
finding the whole thing a touch intimidating, especially in fog or rain
conditions (the worst they ever get- 1/2" of rain is a big news story).

Sometimes it's faster to take the non-freeway routes (aka "surface streets"),
few of the locals do so.

>nBest regards,

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2006\01\17@120621 by Marcel duchamp

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> South markings on the freeways, so you sort of have to have a mental map of
> a whole bunch of the 100 or so cities that make up the Los Angeles area.
> You *will* have to make up your mind in a split second if someplace like
> "Pomona" is what you want to travel towards or away from. I think it's an
> excellent system overall,

<axe grind mode>
It *was* an excellent system - 80 years ago.  They had an outstanding
electric train system long before the freeways.  It was on a par with
the excellent systems now present in Japan.  Trains went everywhere and
were on time.

At some point, it occurred to General Motors that they could sell more
cars if they:
       bought up the train system
       replaced it with diesel busses
       made it slow and far less useful
       lobbied for freeways
They did all of those.  The famous LA smog? Traffic jams? Just small
side effects.  After all, what's good for General Motors is good for
America, right?
This has been a public service message brought to you by GM.
<axe grind mode off>

2006\01\17@122723 by gacrowell

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Wasn't that the plot of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

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2006\01\17@125611 by Padu

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From: "Olin Lathrop"
> The last time I was in Anaheim a bunch of years ago, I had most of a
> Sunday
> with nothing to do.  I started walking around from the convention center
> and
> came accross one of the "rivers" they have there.

<big snip>


Were you walking in Southern California? I believe there's a law somewhere
that prohibits that! And a bus? Where did you find one?  :-)

Cheers

Padu

2006\01\17@130319 by William Couture

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On 1/17/06, EraseMEgacrowellspamspamspamBeGonemicron.com <RemoveMEgacrowellKILLspamspammicron.com> wrote:

> Wasn't that the plot of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

A documentary doesn't have a plot.  It just reports the facts.

Bill

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2006\01\17@131050 by Howard Winter

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Spehro,

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:08:32 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

>...
> The other thing is the LA freeway system. They don't put a lot of
> West/East/North
> South markings on the freeways, so you sort of have to have a mental map of
> a whole bunch of the 100 or so cities that make up the Los Angeles area.
> You *will* have to make up your mind in a split second if someplace like
> "Pomona" is what you want to travel towards or away from.

Indeed, except that you may be 7 lanes across from where you need to be when you decide you made the wrong
decision!

When visiting friends there, I often (usually?) ended up going the wrong way along a freeway and having to
find a way to turn back, and because the junction designs vary enormously, achieving a U-turn could be very
tricky indeed, and sometimes it was easier to just use the surface streets.  Nowadays I always have my GPS
navigation unit with me and haven't had a problem since.

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\01\17@133141 by Howard Winter

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Olin,

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:16:44 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:

>...
> A little thing like a river causing a name change is
> lost in the confusion of twisty one way roads.  We also keep them guessing
> by only labeling cross streets and not the street they're on, then silently
> changing the name of that street at the next town border.

I thought we were the only people who did that!  Main roads almost never have their name at junctions here.  
At one end of my road is a T-junction, with the "top bar" having the right of way.  But in fact my road's name
turns the corner, so the vertical bar and one half of the top are road A, the other half of the top is road B
(not their real names :-).  In doing the turn some numbers got lost, so if you're looking for No.19, you will
never find it!

> It's like the LA bus system, you just gotta know.

Same here - bus companies don't seem to want anyone to start using them who doesn't already know where each
one goes.  At one time each bus-stop had timetables of all the busses that stop there, but you had to know the
local names of each place they stopped, which mostly don't exist on any map.  But at one point I noticed a
bus-stop which had nothing but a notice saying "For details of bus routes and timetables, please see
http://www..." !  Extremely useful when you happen to have your laptop with satellite communications with
you...

They keep telling us to use public transport more, and I'm sure a lot of people would, if only someone with
two braincells to rub together was running it!

Incidentally for anyone visiting London from far away:  They have just hiked the *minimum* Underground fare
you can get for cash to £3 (say US$5) !!!  They want people to use "Oyster" pre-pay cards, and the fares for
these are lower, but anyone rolling into Heathrow and wanting to get into London on the Underground could be
in for a shock (it will be much more than the minimum, by the way).

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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