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2006\07\12@092403 by Russell McMahon

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Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Windows bug


Symptom:

 After 10 minutes or so of web browing, any attempt to download and
save a
file causes Dell CD/DVD player software to start.

Resolution:

 Place laptop so that belt buckle doesn't press the buttons on the
leading
edge of the computer.

2006\07\12@094008 by Alan B. Pearce

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> Resolution:
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>  Place laptop so that belt buckle doesn't press the buttons on the
>  leading edge of the computer.

Hmmgh cough splutter - just as well I wasn't having a drink at the time
......

You are not supposed to watch the TV while working on the wireless ....

2006\07\12@095229 by Tony Smith

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>  Symptom:
>
>   After 10 minutes or so of web browing, any attempt to download and
> save a
>  file causes Dell CD/DVD player software to start.
>
>  Resolution:
>
>   Place laptop so that belt buckle doesn't press the buttons on the
> leading
>  edge of the computer.


Symptom:  Window installation failing on certain IBM brand PCs.
Secondary symptom:  Sysadmin swearing at more people than usual.

Resolution:  Place tape over pretty blue button on top of case.

Pretty blue button would get pressed by visitors: "What's that button
do?", followed by "Oh, it's the power button...".

Seriously, who makes power buttons blue, small (typical men's shirt button
size), unlabelled and on top of the box?  Well, IBM used to.

Tony

(& yes, I pushed it too)

2006\07\12@095940 by Patrik Hermansson

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Also have a strange bug, in both Windows and Linux!

Symptom: The computer reboots without notice.
Resolution: Keep the operators feet at a good distance from that stupid
placed reset button.


Alan B. Pearce skrev:
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2006\07\12@102351 by alan smith

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OK...aside from all the "operator error" bugs...this is a real one I came across last week.
 
 I sorta try to keep a friends network up and running, and got a call saying....the program wont run anymore.....but others do.  OK.  So sure enough, double clik...acts like its running....but then just stops.
 
 Did a restore....from the day before...when it was working.  Nope.
 Reinstalled the software in question.  Nope
 Found a few other programs would not run as well...
 
 Solution:  Seems somehow some of the .dll files were corrupted....can't recall exactly which one now, but finally found one of the programs that complained about it.
 
 Wierd....very...very....wierd...and this happened after doing a windows update.

Patrik Hermansson <spam_OUTpatherTakeThisOuTspamcomhem.se> wrote:
 Also have a strange bug, in both Windows and Linux!

Symptom: The computer reboots without notice.
Resolution: Keep the operators feet at a good distance from that stupid
placed reset button.


Alan B. Pearce skrev:
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2006\07\12@103835 by Rolf

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Many of you may already know EBKAC - often times blamed for various
bugs, and anomalies in software...

EBKAC :- Error between keyboard and chair.

This is the most literal instance I have heard of EBKAC applicability.

Rolf

Russell McMahon wrote:
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2006\07\12@105208 by Philip Pemberton

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Patrik Hermansson wrote:
> Also have a strange bug, in both Windows and Linux!
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> Symptom: The computer reboots without notice.
> Resolution: Keep the operators feet at a good distance from that stupid
> placed reset button.

Alternative resolution: Unplug the stupidly placed reset button.
Second alternative resolution: Fit a molly-guard over the stupidly placed
reset button.

:)

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2006\07\12@105813 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Also have a strange bug, in both Windows and Linux!
>
> Symptom: The computer reboots without notice.
> Resolution: Keep the operators feet at a good distance from
> that stupid
> placed reset button.

In my case: either remove my joungest sibling (at that moment 1.0y) from
my working room, or grab that screwdriver from his hands and put it back
where it belongs. Either way, he will disagree (loudly).

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2006\07\13@062449 by Howard Winter

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Alan,

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT), alan smith wrote:

>   Wierd....very...very....wierd...and this happened after doing a windows update.

I don't see that as weird at all!  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\07\13@063740 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:17:43 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

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ROFL!

I have a similar problem in the reverse direction - I keep something behind the keyboard which occasionally
presses and holds down either <Esc> or <F1>  - strange behaviour (unresponsive keyboard, mouse-clicking on
things has no effect, sudden appearance of "Help" screen) often lasts for a good few seconds before I remember
and move it out of the way again!

20-odd years ago I looked after a large number of people who were using Datapoint machines, where the screen
and keyboard were one unit, and the processor was in the back of it (youngsters won't remember those days! :-)
so each user had just one unit on their desk (no mice in those days).  A lady called to say her screen had
gone unexpectedly blank, so I went to her office to see what was up.  Took me a minute or so to find that the
mains cable was trapped between the desk and the wall, and she'd pulled the machine towards her for a more
comfortable typing-distance...

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\07\13@065247 by Patrik Hermansson

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Hmm computers is fun... Just rediscovered an old bug that I don't want
to remember.

Symptom: Nothing works ok.
Cause: Windows ME is installed.
Resolution: Tell the customer to buy a new computer or install Windows 2k?

Getting frustrated here, the customer wants his old computer back today
and I can't get ME working. Days like this you just love XP, even though
I often hate it...

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2006\07\13@083131 by Russell McMahon

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> I have a similar problem in the reverse direction - I keep something
> behind the keyboard which occasionally
> presses and holds down either <Esc> or <F1>  - strange behaviour
> (unresponsive keyboard, mouse-clicking on
> things has no effect, sudden appearance of "Help" screen) often
> lasts for a good few seconds before I remember
> and move it out of the way again!

I invariably have mega junk betwixt my keyboard and 2 monitors. One or
both monitor often blanks momentarily when switching between programs
or when some bad mannered program decides to switch something.
Occasionally the left hand monitor goes blank and stays blank. Turning
it back on usually solves the problem :-). Junk forms a path to the
switch and I move the keyboard and hey presto (or hey! - pressed off,
in this case). Still takes the brain a moment to realise what has
happened due to the afore mentioned brief screen blankings which
occasionally occur independently of user action.



       RM

2006\07\13@165322 by Brent Brown

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My most recently discovered Windows bug is similar to the others described here. It
happens on my laptop when I'm attaching a projector to show a presentation or
something:-

Step 1) Get laptop up and running as it can take a couple of minutes... and you
want everything to be ready when you're doing a presentation.
Step 2) Step up to do the presentation
Step 3) Methodically turn laptop around, hold with left hand while plugging in
projector VGA lead with right hand.
Step 4) Turn laptop around again... just in time to see and hear Windows shutting
down... too late. Grrrr.

I've done this about 3 times now, and no service packs seem to address the
problem. On closer analysis it is found that left thumb presses power button! :-)

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2006\07\13@184848 by Patrik Hermansson

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:) Many funny 'bugs' here. And I know what you mean, sometimes I hate
beeing the person somebody calls when the computers not working. I've
learned to not listen to the error descriptions, because when I look at
it it behaves totaly different (and sometimes it's PICNIC of course...).

Anyway, just remembered a strange bug from the past which is more
related to this list than the others.
Symptom: A printer prints just fine, until it suddenly stops. It then
starts printing again like nothing happend. This could be often or
seldom, some days it wouldn't print at all and then it printed fine for
a week.
Cause: The printer was placed with the back against a window, and when
the sunlight reached an optic sensor inside the printer it stopped
working. Cloudy day - much printing, sunny day - no printing. It was
pretty funny to show the womens at the office how I could start and stop
the printer just by moving my hand above the printer :)
Solution: Cover the sensor with black paper.

Russell McMahon skrev:
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2006\07\13@190937 by Padu

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrik Hermansson" <.....patherKILLspamspam.....comhem.se>
> It was
> pretty funny to show the womens at the office how I could start and stop
> the printer just by moving my hand above the printer :)


The Wizard of Geek  :-)

2006\07\13@191442 by Philip Pemberton

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Brent Brown wrote:
> I've done this about 3 times now, and no service packs seem to address the
> problem. On closer analysis it is found that left thumb presses power button! :-)

I've never done that. Maybe it's because my laptop has a lockout on the power
switch. You push a slider to one side, and it disables the power switch until
you move the slider back. There's also a similar thing on the PCMCIA ports to
stop the cards being pulled out when the lock is enabled.

The laptop in question is a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600. 700MHz Coppermine
Celeron, 256MB RAM and a 40GB HDD (aftermarket addon). I've swapped the TFT
and part of the casing (palm-rest and keyboard segment), and resoldered the
speaker filter modules on the motherboard - the soldering tends to go bad over
time, resulting in no or intermittent output from the speakers. They also get
walloped by the audio riser card when you plug in a set of headphones or a
microphone...

Why all the hardware replacements? I dropped it. Utterly buggered the hard
drive (a particularly quirky Fujitsu that was unreliable at the best of
times). One of these days I'm going to find a way to squeeze an ADI uMEMS
sensor and a power-kill module into the HDD bay. Not that I intend to drop the
machine again, mind.

I've got a half-designed ColdFire-based MP3 player that has this kind of tech
in it - if the G-sensor picks up a freefall condition (G < 0.85) then a MOSFET
gets its gate driven hard to Vcc, which causes the hard drive to lose power.
The drive, upon realising it's lost power, uses drive motor inertia to throw
the heads off the platter. It's the most violent way to do it, but it's
*fast*. On the order of 20ms excluding motor spindown, IIRC.

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2006\07\13@192844 by Philip Pemberton

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Patrik Hermansson wrote:
> Getting frustrated here, the customer wants his old computer back today
> and I can't get ME working. Days like this you just love XP, even though
> I often hate it...

I prefer 2k. All the background tech from XP, without the Tellytubby interface
or Product Activation fluff.

I've got a CD that has Win2k, SP4 Slipstreamed, and a few service packs. Takes
a real big bite out of the traditional post-install patchfest. It would be
damn cool if I could get PowerArchiver, OpenOffice and a few other things
Slipstreamed in there as well, but Win2k Setup doesn't seem to allow that :(

Oh, and skipped (dumpstered?) PCs are a great source of Windows licence
stickers. Take a low-power heat gun to loosen the glue on the stickers, and a
few label backing sheets to put them on when they're done. I know someone who
bought a load of really old ex-university PCs and did that - he got something
like 40 Win2k licence stickers, and another half-dozen Win98 stickers. He also
claimed to have 'made a killing' selling them on ebay, but I don't believe him...

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2006\07\14@082214 by Neil Cherry

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Rolf wrote:
> Many of you may already know EBKAC - often times blamed for various
> bugs, and anomalies in software...
>
> EBKAC :- Error between keyboard and chair.
>

Solution: Dispatch tech, replace user! :-)

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2006\07\14@150553 by Peter

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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Patrik Hermansson wrote:

> pretty funny to show the womens at the office how I could start and stop
> the printer just by moving my hand above the printer :)
> Solution: Cover the sensor with black paper.

You missed the occasion to sell a dead fish at a good price. In this
case, waving it would have helped ;-)

Peter

2006\07\14@203001 by Howard Winter

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Phil,

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:28:05 +0100, Philip Pemberton wrote:

>...
> I prefer 2k. All the background tech from XP, without the Tellytubby interface
> or Product Activation fluff.

Me too!  So far I've resisted going to XP, because it seems to offer nothing but fluff and hassle.

> I've got a CD that has Win2k, SP4 Slipstreamed, and a few service packs. Takes
> a real big bite out of the traditional post-install patchfest.

How do you create that?  I've only got SP2 CDs and it would be very handy to have later stuff included.  I
have one machine at the moment that is in serious need of a Win2k reinstall (among the strange things it's
exhibiting is that the "Add/Remove Programs" shows program icons, but no descriptions - rather hard to choose
the right thing to uninstall!  :-)

> It would be
> damn cool if I could get PowerArchiver, OpenOffice and a few other things
> Slipstreamed in there as well, but Win2k Setup doesn't seem to allow that :(

Give Microsoft a ring and ask them how to do it...  :-)))

> Oh, and skipped (dumpstered?) PCs are a great source of Windows licence
> stickers. Take a low-power heat gun to loosen the glue on the stickers, and a
> few label backing sheets to put them on when they're done.

Interesting idea (may not work on XP because of the phone home thing), but don't they have anti-peel adhesive,
which takes the printing off if you try to remove them?

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\07\14@211535 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Howard Winter wrote:

>> I've got a CD that has Win2k, SP4 Slipstreamed, and a few service packs.
>> Takes a real big bite out of the traditional post-install patchfest.
>
> How do you create that?  

Google for "slipstream windows". That's a technique to introduce service
packs into the Windows installation, creating an installation that already
includes those updates.

Basically, you copy the Windows installation files to disk and call the
update installation with the appropriate command line options. It inserts
itself into the original Windows installation. Then you can either install
directly from the harddisk (that's my preference; CD is so slow) or burn a
CD.

> I've only got SP2 CDs and it would be very handy to have later stuff
> included.  

However, I think you only can slipstream into a base version (no previous
service packs slipstreamed). At least that's what I remember from my last
attempts to slipstream SP2 into an SP1 CD.

Gerhard

2006\07\14@223037 by J R

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
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Here is a nice utility that will slipstream service packs as well as hot
fixes and other applications. You can slipstream SP4 into an SP2
install, no problem.
http://www.vorck.com/hfslip-info.html

J R

2006\07\16@041452 by Russell McMahon

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> I've done this about 3 times now, and no service packs seem to
> address the
> problem. On closer analysis it is found that left thumb presses
> power button! :-)

However, a setup option may :-).
If you configure it so it doesn't power down until you have pressed
the power button for 5 seconds you may be lucky most of the time.
Always providing that the laptop hardware allows this.


       Russell


2006\07\16@043000 by Russell McMahon

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> Cause: The printer was placed with the back against a window, and
> when
> the sunlight reached an optic sensor inside the printer it stopped
> working. Cloudy day - much printing, sunny day - no printing. It was
> pretty funny to show the womens at the office how I could start and
> stop
> the printer just by moving my hand above the printer :)
> Solution: Cover the sensor with black paper.

We had a specialised piece of telephone exchange equipment which would
reboot if anyone used a photographic flash nearby. Solution was to ban
flashes.


       RM

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