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2003\04\24@060904 by cdb

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I must be old, as I have an abhorrence for what I see as deliberate
misuse of English in an attempt to sound either important or
politically correct.

I have just answered someone on another board who would like to
'interface with someone' , concerning Pic microcontrollers.

Part of my flippant reply was;

"If this wasn't a microcontroller would you still interface with
someone, or would you just want to talk to them instead?"

shaking head sadly

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2003\04\24@064718 by hael Rigby-Jones

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> I must be old, as I have an abhorrence for what I see as deliberate
> misuse of English in an attempt to sound either important or
> politically correct.
>
> I have just answered someone on another board who would like to
> 'interface with someone' , concerning Pic microcontrollers.
>
> Part of my flippant reply was;
>
> "If this wasn't a microcontroller would you still interface with
> someone, or would you just want to talk to them instead?"
>
> shaking head sadly
>
It annoys me as well.  Working for a large business you hear managers using
these stupid phrases everyday.

"Using a results driven paradigm we empower our client focused employees to
leverage existing technology and applying a proactive mindset we will align
our market strategies around our core business"

Hmmm...

Mike



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2003\04\24@082034 by Mike Hord

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And that's why we're engineers.

-Mike Hord






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2003\04\24@104654 by Richard Graziano

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Hear, Hear!
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2003\04\24@113157 by Tal

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Since the subject of her query was PICs, I am sure many here will be
more than happy to interface.

BTW, 'communicating' may be a better substitution than 'talk' since it
may done also by email, fax, etc.

Tal

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2003\04\24@120313 by Alan B. Pearce

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> "If this wasn't a microcontroller would you still interface
> with someone, or would you just want to talk to them instead?"

I guess this is classed as an "in yer face" reply when they want to
"interface" :))

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2003\04\24@124021 by M. Adam Davis

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Eh.

You speak in terms you understand.  If you know your audience well and
you want to communicate at their level, then it's often acceptable to
use common technical terms for physical or mental processes.  But it can
be very easy to use a term incorrectly, since one could pull several
analogies from one technical term.

I read an article geared toward computer users about intelligence, which
indicated that particularily intelligent people would have one thread
solving the problem while another higher level thread monitored it so
they could move to another solution if the current process wasn't
working out.  Now how many people think in terms of threads, as opposed
to a more common phrase like "train of thought"?  Computer scientists
and programmers, that's who.

The word 'interface' is a bad choice where 'discuss' might fit /because/
of the audience he's speaking to.  An interface often has very little to
do with the actual data moving along it.  The interface is established -
he sent a message and can receive a reply along it.  Right now he's
asking for another person to discuss some issues with him.  An interface
can describe a physical thing - it's a noun.  Using it as a verb grates
against technical people.

He might have said, "I'd like to initiate a session..." but this would
be more akin to a single real-time two-way communication such as a phone
call.  I can't think of a good technical parallel for, "I'd like to
start a two-way, high-latency, packet-based, question and response
discussion in an open forum..."

"Could someone please RX my TX, and TX the answer?  THX! 76!"

-Adam

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2003\04\24@130313 by John Ferrell

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Intercourse would probably be a more concise word in this instance.

A popular US ball player named Yogi Berra onced quiped something like:
"You can observe a lot just by watching."

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2003\04\25@042957 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Intercourse would probably be a more concise word in this instance.

A colleague of mine who ran training courses for the company used to have
dinner with the trainees in the middle of the course, instead of the last
evening. He maintained that this was an "intercourse dinner" :)

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2003\04\25@162728 by Peter Barick

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>>> A.B.PearceEraseMEspam.....RL.AC.UK 04/25/03 03:28AM >>>
>>Intercourse would probably be a more concise word in this instance.

>A colleague of mine ... used to have dinner with the trainees
> in the middle of the course ...
> He maintained that this was an "intercourse dinner" :)

Ye, but ... it should have then been billed intra-course. "inter"
denotes between two, here, between two courses, events, whereas "intra"
being within those courses. Bloody bloke plain to me.  ;-)

Peter

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