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'[OT]:PSX mod chip for PSOne'
2000\12\10@174158 by Bob Ammerman

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I've taken this thread [OT]:

> Let's defend the little guy for a change. Multinational corporations get
> too many breaks already.

There is no moral difference between the little guy and the big guy.

Also, remember, multinational corporations are owned by their stockholders,
some of whom are not very big guys at all.

> I'm not advocating theft. I'm suggesting we get sensible about who our
> friends are. We aren't policemen, or lawyers, or judges. We're smart
people
> who invent things and we love to share ideas on the piclist.

Yep, we are. I am still sickened by casual disregard for other's property,
especially when that property is intellectual. It just hits very close to
home. I expect that if I made movies for a living I'd be really irked by the
amount of copying going on in that market. And don't get me started on the
Napster/MP3 thing.

I expect (hope?) you would not "approve" or tacitly accept the theft of
physical property belonging to Sony or any other big company. Why is
intellectual property any different?

In a selfish vein: maybe someday it will be you or I that receives royalties
on that intellectual property.

I guess what really gets my goat is the societal attitude that the big guy
deserves what he gets:

- tax evasion
- insurance fraud
- copyright infringement
- and whatever...

Not to make this a religious flame war ;-), but I am a Christian, and I am
saddened by the general lack of moral rectitude in the world.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
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2000\12\10@180101 by Bob Blick

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>There is no moral difference between the little guy and the big guy.
>
>Also, remember, multinational corporations are owned by their stockholders,
>some of whom are not very big guys at all.

Corporations are not "guys" and should not be given rights as if they are
human beings.

>I expect (hope?) you would not "approve" or tacitly accept the theft of
>physical property belonging to Sony or any other big company. Why is
>intellectual property any different?

As I said, I'm not advocating theft. But the bigger the company, the less
effort I will spend defending them. I'd spend a lot of effort protecting
your property.

>I guess what really gets my goat is the societal attitude that the big guy
>deserves what he gets:
>
>- tax evasion
>- insurance fraud
>- copyright infringement
>- and whatever...

Sorry, I have no charity for insurance companies. Try again.

Cheerful regards,

Bob Blick

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2000\12\10@180722 by schaplin

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All I have to say is that there seems to be more OT discussions than PIC
discussions.  Can't we make OT mean - on topic - rather thatn off topic ???

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2000\12\10@185013 by Bob Ammerman

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> >I guess what really gets my goat is the societal attitude that the big
guy
> >deserves what he gets:
> >
> >- tax evasion
> >- insurance fraud
> >- copyright infringement
> >- and whatever...
>
> Sorry, I have no charity for insurance companies. Try again.

My point exactly. Somehow society has come to believe that insurance
companies (for example) are fair targets for all kinds of abuse (ie: fraud).
Again, an insurance company is really its shareholders and employees, and
policyholders. When an insurance company is ripped off at least one of the
above classes of _people_ are hurt.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2000\12\10@221725 by Stephen B Webb

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> amount of copying going on in that market. And don't get me started on the
> Napster/MP3 thing.

My $0.02:  I think the Napster thing probably is wrong / bad etc., but a
few notes:

1.  If you don't give people what they want, you can expect them to go
about getting it some way.  I see the MP3 phenomenon as a blunder on the
part of the music industry.  They could have controlled the market, but
instead of moving toward portable / interchangeable music formats, they
are trying to make music more difficult to distribute (ie audio DVD)
Still, tht doesn't justify stealing property from record companies, a la
napster, BUT, in the case of MP3.COM, and in particular MYMP3, where songs
which YOU OWNED (ie bought the CD) are made available to you in MP3
format.  I understand that it has been ruled that this violates the
distribution rights of the record companies, and is therefore illegal, but
WTF?  There is a market for it, and it is legitimate, or seems so to me.

Also, a number of my friends who use Napster testify to having purchased
MORE CDs than they did before using Napster.  They have had the
opportunity to be introduced to music that they would not have likely
heard otherwise.  I also know people who buy many fewer CDs than before,
and I'm afraid that this would be the primary behavior of Napster users.
Anyway, using Napster isn't *inherently* morally wrong.  If you download a
song and listen to it a few times, and then get rid of it, without ever
buying it, I just don't find that wrong.  (In particular if you would have
not bought the song in the first place)

> I expect (hope?) you would not "approve" or tacitly accept the theft of
> physical property belonging to Sony or any other big company. Why is
> intellectual property any different?

Intellecutal property is FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT than physical property.
As evidence of this, consider patent and copyright law as compared to
property law.  Your right to onwership of intellecutal property expires
after some time.  This certainly isn't the case with your house (your
house doesn't become public domain after N years..)  I am *not* saying
that intellectual property doesnt deserve legal protection, I am just
stating my firm opinion that IP is not equivalent to physical property.


The "one click shopping" patent makes me sick, for instance.

(enough so that I no longer shop at Amazon)

Anyway, that's my $0.02

-Steve

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2000\12\10@223042 by Stephen B Webb

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> My point exactly. Somehow society has come to believe that insurance
> companies (for example) are fair targets for all kinds of abuse (ie: fraud).
> Again, an insurance company is really its shareholders and employees, and

Again, I don't condone / support theft/fraud, but how is it that people
are supposed to want to look out for insurance companies when it is clear
that insurance companies don't care about hurting their policyholders?

Assume that there is a business which is operating in your community, and
you are morally opposed to what service / goods they provide (ie abortion
clinic, strip club, "check loan" joint, etc)  Are you going to be as
active at opposing theft/fraud against these establishments as you will be
against, say a local church?  Probably not.

-Steve

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2000\12\10@230410 by Bob Ammerman

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> So it's OK to steal from some people and not from others?  Is there a list
> somewhere so that everyone can check to see who it's OK to steal from?
Who
> gets to decide who goes on the list?  What if there are different lists
and
> someone else's list has YOUR name on it?  Would you agree not to get upset
> if I stole from you as long as I can come up with some rational for doing
so
> (you've got a silly skin color, you're fat, your short, you're one of
those
> "college boy" intellectual snobs, you're one of "them" living in "that"
> place, you've got those stupid looking round eyes, you've got those stupid
> looking slanted eyes, etc, etc, etc  -  All these reasons have been used
> before)?
>
> I don't know anything about your personal situation, but since you are on
> this list you are most likely "rich" compared to a great many people
living
> in third world countries.  They could easily use similar reasoning to
yours
> to decide that it's perfectly OK to break into your home and take what
they
> want.  Think about it.  This is the natural extension of your reasoning.
I
> doubt this is really how you'd want the world to work.
>
>
> *****************************************************************
> Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Devens Massachusetts
> (978) 772-3129, spam_OUTolinTakeThisOuTspamembedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com
>

Olin and I don't always see eye to eye, but in this case we are on exactly
the same wavelength, to within submicron resolution.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2000\12\11@104825 by jamesnewton

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