Post by thread:[OT]: Windows proxy server software?

I haven't investigated this for linux for quite a while (numerous years). However, even back then, there were PPPoE solutions for linux. What auth procedure does the dsl modem need? Another solution might be a hardware router. Single port routers should be super cheap on eBay, or buy a new one. They routinely drop below $40 after rebates. Maybe I'm missing something? Is your current setup cablemodem--linux--network? Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams picdude wrote: > Thinking of changing to DSL (instead of cablemodem), but that means using my Win2k box as the primary (to connect), then sharing the connection with all the Linux machines using a proxy server. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Liam O'Hagan <liamKILLspamGLI.COM.AU> wrote: >you could try purchasing a dsl modem with an incorporated switch, then all >your PC's could connect directly to the dsl modem. No need for a proxy >then... Sounds like you're suggesting that once the DSL modem connects, then there are additional ports on the modem that the other computers plug into? Is there a way to do this with a generic DSL modem (not sure what I would get from the DSL provider) AND my existing Linksys router? Thanks, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Josh Koffman <EraseMElistsjoshspam_OUTTakeThisOuT3MTMP.COM> wrote: >I haven't investigated this for linux for quite a while (numerous >years). However, even back then, there were PPPoE solutions for linux. >What auth procedure does the dsl modem need? Not sure. I've never done this for Linux, but heard that it's a hassle to set up. Since I've got a Win2k box here, I thought it would be the easiest just to use that. > Another solution might be a >hardware router. Single port routers should be super cheap on eBay, or >buy a new one. They routinely drop below $40 after rebates. Well here's the good news ... I already have a good Linksys router (includes WAP). I wasn't aware that the DSL modem could connect thru the router, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. >Maybe I'm missing something? Is your current setup >cablemodem--linux--network? Up to last week it was Cablemodem -to- Router -to- All Machines. Today, it's win2k on dial-up with webmail....ugh! Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

If you need to use a proxy server because your ISP won't allow multiple IP addresses: I have a wireless network (I use the MS wireless hardware but there are lots of others). My cable company came and set up the cable modem so it would only talk to my desktop machine. My wireless router clones the MAC address of my desktop - so it looks like my desktop machine as far as the cable company knows. It has an embedded proxy server - I can connect all the machines I want to & the cable company is none the wiser. My neighbor & I are sharing my cable connection via wireless (hehe, 2Mb/s PLUS 100+ channels of cable - for less than $25 per month!). To answer your question a bit more directly, MS has a proxy server you can get for nothing - but it would be much simpler to implement in a router. {Original Message removed}

Matt Redmond <KILLspammdredmondKILLspamCHARTER.NET> wrote: >If you need to use a proxy server because your ISP won't allow multiple IP >addresses: Actually that's not the reason ... I just didn't know how to connect Linux to the DSL modem, and thought it easier to use the proxy server. My router does DHCP, so I can get my other IP's from there. If the DSL modem will work thru the router (as Liam suggests), then I should be hunky dory. > >I have a wireless network (I use the MS wireless hardware but there are lots >of others). My cable company came and set up the cable modem so it would >only talk to my desktop machine. My wireless router clones the MAC address >of my desktop - so it looks like my desktop machine as far as the cable >company knows. It has an embedded proxy server - I can connect all the >machines I want to & the cable company is none the wiser. I used to do something similar-ish ... the cable modem connected to my router/DHCP server and assigned it's own IPs to the machines, but the cable-company only supplied one IP. >To answer your question a bit more directly, MS has a proxy server you can >get for nothing - but it would be much simpler to implement in a router. Will check it out. Thanks, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Liam O'Hagan <spamBeGoneliamspamBeGoneGLI.COM.AU> wrote: >I have a dsl modem that has an inbuilt router and 4 port switch. > >You should be able to connect the upstream port of the router to the modem, >and any PC's to the router. That's assuming of course that the dsl provider >supplies you with an ethernet dsl modem. If they give you a USB one then >throw all that out the window and go with your initial idea of a software >proxy... Ahh... gotcha. I do have the option of an external ethernet DSL modem. Thanks, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

David VanHorn <RemoveMEdvanhornTakeThisOuTCEDAR.NET> wrote: >> >>To answer your question a bit more directly, MS has a proxy server you can >>get for nothing - but it would be much simpler to implement in a router. > >The linksys wireless router/access point is a good solution, that's what I'm using. That's exactly what I have ... BEFW11S4. So looks like I'm all set once I get the DSL modem. It'll be... Phone Line -to- DSL Modem -to- Router/WAP -to- Win2K box and I'll connect with that machine. Then the Linux machines will go onto the other router ports and should connect as it did before when I was using cablemodem. Sweet! FWIW, I just found the Linux DSL HOW-TO, so I'll check that for recommendations on DSL modems. This way, I can eventually get Linux to connect to the DSL directly. Thanks, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

If you want to share a cable connection, the best solution is Coyote (http://www.coyotelinux.com) You may use 486 or more, 12megs or more, boots from diskette, and 2 ethernet cards. I have 12 machines connected to it, and to a 2mb/s wireless connection. Have tried NT+MS Proxy, Winroute, Winproxy, Wingate, but NOP !!! -> Use Coyote. The best one. Gabriel.- -----Mensaje original----- De: pic microcontroller discussion list [EraseMEPICLISTMITVMA.MIT.EDU]En nombre de Liam O'Hagan Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Octubre de 2003 23:49 Para: RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU Asunto: Re: [OT]: Windows proxy server software? Once setup, the modem should connect to the dsl provider without needing any PC to be on. So you can just connect any PC you like, and as long as it's setup to use the ethernet interface to access the net then it should work fine. You'll probably find that an externally powered ethernet DSL modem is connected whenever it's powered on, whether a PC is connected or not... > {Original Message removed}

Liam O'Hagan <RemoveMEliamspam_OUTKILLspamGLI.COM.AU> wrote: >Once setup, the modem should connect to the dsl provider without needing any >PC to be on. > >So you can just connect any PC you like, and as long as it's setup to use >the ethernet interface to access the net then it should work fine. You'll >probably find that an externally powered ethernet DSL modem is connected >whenever it's powered on, whether a PC is connected or not... So to clarify, you're saying that once I physically connect everything, I configure the modem with the provider's info and my account info, then can disconnect the PC. At any time, if the connection is dead, then the modem will reconnect w/o the PC being connected. If this is correct, the it's getting better and better. I think I'm sold on the setup already. Anyone have recommendations on DSL modems? AFAIK, I don't have to choose any of the high-priced options that the provider has, but can get one off ebay, Fry's, etc. Is there any specific feature I should be looking for? Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Gabriel Caffese <EraseMEgcaffesespamspamBeGoneINTERLAP.COM.AR> wrote: >If you want to share a cable connection, the best solution is Coyote >(http://www.coyotelinux.com) >You may use 486 or more, 12megs or more, boots from diskette, and 2 ethernet >cards. >I have 12 machines connected to it, and to a 2mb/s wireless connection. >Have tried NT+MS Proxy, Winroute, Winproxy, Wingate, but NOP !!! -> Use >Coyote. The best one. The only prob I have with this solution is that I'd need another machine dedicated to this function, and don't have one to spare currently. The only desktop is the one with Win2k, and the rest are laptops with Linux (Slack and RH). Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

For sure you can get a 486, 586 or P-100 with 32mb and a floppy for nothing at a bargain shop. And forgot another IMPORTANT thing: It4s been running for more than 4 months, and NEVER EVER had hang-up. Cheers, Gabriel -----Mensaje original----- De: pic microcontroller discussion list [PICLISTSTOPspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU]En nombre de picdude Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Octubre de 2003 00:35 Para: spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU Asunto: Re: [OT]: Windows proxy server software? Gabriel Caffese <KILLspamgcaffesespamBeGoneINTERLAP.COM.AR> wrote: >If you want to share a cable connection, the best solution is Coyote >(http://www.coyotelinux.com) >You may use 486 or more, 12megs or more, boots from diskette, and 2 ethernet >cards. >I have 12 machines connected to it, and to a 2mb/s wireless connection. >Have tried NT+MS Proxy, Winroute, Winproxy, Wingate, but NOP !!! -> Use >Coyote. The best one. The only prob I have with this solution is that I'd need another machine dedicated to this function, and don't have one to spare currently. The only desktop is the one with Win2k, and the rest are laptops with Linux (Slack and RH). Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email @spam@listserv@spam@spam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

David VanHorn wrote: > > > > >To answer your question a bit more directly, MS has a proxy server you can > >get for nothing - but it would be much simpler to implement in a router. > > The linksys wireless router/access point is a good solution, that's what I'm using. And it's a lot more power efficient that leaving your proxy machine on 24/7. Trivial to configure. Took about 3 minutes to get it hooked up and running and another to turn on port forwarding for various apps I had that needed it. Back when they were several hundred dollars, the pay back on power saved was about 4 years. Today it's under a year for a higher end (200W) PC. I'm seeing Links 4 port routers for under $50 C (with rebate) so there is really NO excuse to NOT have one. DLink has a router/print server which is useful if you want to share your printer with several machines. Check out http://www.grc.com for his reviews of the various software firewalls. ALWAYS have a software firewall (zonealarm at http://www.zonelabs.com gets rave reviews) in addition to a hardware one. It makes it that much harder for the hackers to get past your guards. And zonealarm is very good at blocking trojans from getting out. With all the worms viri and other 'back door hacks' out there, you have a -responsibility- to ensure that your machine is as secure as you can reasonably make it. IOW get a Linksys (or equal) and zonealarm. Robert -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spamBeGonelistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Given the number of machines that are being turned into land fill, you should have ZERO problem getting a suitable one for a few dollars by asking around, putting an advert in your local paper, or by visiting any largish business or school, which will no doubt have 486/586 class machines in storage 'just in case'. In most cases they can be had for the asking because they're just too slow for today's Winblows apps, and nobody has gotten around to throwing them out. I still strongly recommend a Linksys 4 or 8 port router as your cheapest, fastest, most idiot proof solution. Or do you not have to pay for your power? Robert picdude wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Gabriel Caffese <.....gcaffesespam_OUTINTERLAP.COM.AR> wrote: > > >If you want to share a cable connection, the best solution is Coyote > >(http://www.coyotelinux.com) > >You may use 486 or more, 12megs or more, boots from diskette, and 2 ethernet > >cards. > >I have 12 machines connected to it, and to a 2mb/s wireless connection. > >Have tried NT+MS Proxy, Winroute, Winproxy, Wingate, but NOP !!! -> Use > >Coyote. The best one. > > The only prob I have with this solution is that I'd need another machine dedicated to this function, and don't have one to spare currently. The only desktop is the one with Win2k, and the rest are laptops with Linux (Slack and RH). -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistserv.....TakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

I have a d-link DSL 504. It is 4 port switch, firewall, router etc etc that uses DHCP to assigne addresses downstream, does the lot basically. It's also configured using a web page (i.e. connect to the modem IP from an internal address) and hence can be configured by a PC running linux, windows etc etc. Price for me was equivalent to ~$160 US Now that I have it configured, if any of my PC's are on, they are connected, there doesn't need to be any specific PC connected. Since you have an external router already, then it's a bit of overkill to have a modem with a router / switch as well, d-link and billion both have a range of single port modems which would suit, as would just about any dsl modem manufacturer... > {Original Message removed}

That's the way I have mine set up and works OK! -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [TakeThisOuTPICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Liam O'Hagan Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:40 PM To: .....PICLISTRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT]: Windows proxy server software? you could try purchasing a dsl modem with an incorporated switch, then all your PC's could connect directly to the dsl modem. No need for a proxy then... {Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: picdude [SMTP:RemoveMEpicdudespamBeGoneNARWANI.ORG] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:35 AM > To: spamBeGonePICLIST@spam@spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: [OT]: Windows proxy server software? > > Thinking of changing to DSL (instead of cablemodem), but that means using > my Win2k box as the primary (to connect), then sharing the connection with > all the Linux machines using a proxy server. > > Any of you know of decent proxy server sw packages, that comes at a low > cost (or even free)? I know of Wingate, but want to compare others first. > > Thanks, > -Neil. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email TakeThisOuTlistservspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

> > Thinking of changing to DSL (instead of cablemodem), but > that means using my Win2k box as the primary (to connect), > then sharing the connection with all the Linux machines using > a proxy server. Maybe not al DSL systems are the same, but I have an ADSL connection with a Linux (actually FREESCO) box acting as PPTP endpoint / proxy server / firewall. It contains one ethernet card to connect to my ADSL modem, and another one to connect to my internal ethernet. You can run a FRESCO from a floppy, but I have put it on the HD. It is a lowly 8 Mb 486 box. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestRemoveMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

I use an ITeX Apollo based PCI ADSL modem, in an old Linux box. It's my gateway, router, firewall, print server, etc. Additionally, I modified it so that:- - no cpu fan (cpu underclocked) - PSU fan runs on 5v instead of 12v, and is silent. I use CORE linux, which is a tiny distribution, and a complex initrd. My machine boots the kernel from the disk, then creates a large ramdisk, creates a filesystem on it, untar's a root fs to the ramdisk, then tells the kernel that the root fs has changed. Then, I can turn off the harddisk. So, my machine is almost completely silent. Jon PS. Email me if you want more info on how to set that up. > {Original Message removed}

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:31:22 -0400, picdude wrote: An Ethernet DSL modem is also a router - and depending on which one you get, its capabilities will vary from straight-through passing of IP packets to full Network Address Translation (NAT) with filtering, firewalling and so on. So if you get one with 1 Ethernet socket (some have a 4-port hub built in) then you connect that to your Linksys router and the rest of the network "shares" the connection. You may need a "crossover" CAT5 cable for this, depending on the ports at both ends. I can't remember if the Linksys "WAN" port expects a straight or crossed connection - sorry! The thing to watch is that your Linksys router will probably be doing NAT already, and doing it twice is a Bad Thing, so you need to turn one of them off doing that. The modem would be easier, so assuming you have one public IP address, the modem would pass it straight to the Linksys, which then NATs it and passes it on to your LAN machines (probably what it's doing already). >...< > So to clarify, you're saying that once I physically connect everything, I configure the modem with the provider's info and my account info, then can disconnect the PC. Yup! >At any time, if the connection is dead, then the modem will reconnect w/o the PC being connected. Normally the modem won't disconnect - there is sometimes a "disconnect when inactive" option, which you turn off! The modem and your ISP keep in contact 24/7, barring problems. That way as soon as you boot up a PC you are connected to the Internet. This, of course, makes hacking and suchlike easier for the scumbags of this World, but there's no such thing as a free lunch! :-) > If this is correct, the it's getting better and better. I think it's excellent! I've had 512/256 ADSL for about 18 months, and I wouldn't go back to dial-up (even ISDN as I had) for anything. Cable isn't available in this area so ADSL is it! > I think I'm sold on the setup already. Anyone have recommendations on DSL modems? AFAIK, I don't have to choose any of the high-priced options that the provider has, but can get one off ebay, Fry's, etc. Is there any specific feature I should be looking for? The ability to work with a Linksys router - some of them aren't capable of doing so, due to trying to do NAT and/or DHCP, which you don't want. May be a good idea to ask Linksys which modems they know work with the specific router you have. I can't comment on the situation outside the UK because we have a different market for ADSL modems, as anyone who has tried to us a US version here will have found out. There is a web site for ADSL information in the UK: http://www.adslguide.org.uk which has a lot of useful information, but as I say it is UK-centric and you'll have to do some local research. Have fun! Howard Winter St.Albans, England -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-request@spam@mitvma.mit.edu

> Thinking of changing to DSL (instead of cablemodem), but that > means using my Win2k box as the primary (to connect), then > sharing the connection with all the Linux machines using a proxy server. > > Any of you know of decent proxy server sw packages, that comes at > a low cost (or even free)? I know of Wingate, but want to > compare others first. Frankly, with the cost of consumer broadband routers being so low, I wouldn't even bother with a "software solution", it just creates more problems then it's worth. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUT.....mitvma.mit.edu

> > Another solution might be a > >hardware router. Single port routers should be super cheap on eBay, or > >buy a new one. They routinely drop below $40 after rebates. > > Well here's the good news ... I already have a good Linksys > router (includes WAP). I wasn't aware that the DSL modem could > connect thru the router, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. Which router? Most DSL services in my area use PPPoE, and most routers support PPPoE, if yours supports what your provider needs then no change in setup is needed, only the settings of you router need to be changed. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spamBeGonepiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

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Your router should have configuration parameters built into it for PPPoE, etc. You use your PC to configure the router using its built in HTTP server. The router then connects to the modem via its WAN port. The modem doesn't know that it is a router rather than a PC. All your machines (Win and Linux) connect to the routers LAN port(s). The router runs a DHCP server to give your inside machines IP addresses and NAT to make everything look like it is coming from the router itself. hth Bob Ammerman RAm Systems -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-request@spam@spamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu