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'[OT]: Trading Apples'
2011\06\08@184326 by YES NOPE9

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"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then
each of us will have two ideas."
(George Bernard Shaw)

"The only thing necessary to the triumph of evil, is that good men do
nothing."
(Edmund Burke)



In 2011 ...... If you have an idea and I have an idea and we share them ... we now have two IP lawsuits filed against us....     see ==>  Google and patent laywers
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2011\06\08@190526 by Michael Watterson

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On 08/06/2011 23:43, YES NOPE9 wrote:
> In 2011 ...... If you have an idea and I have an idea and we share them .... we now have two IP lawsuits filed against us....

Only if we are working for a Company that's acting like a Medieval Baron.

Though my last job contract I got them to agree that they only had exclusive exploitation rights, I owned all IP and that any IP not deployed in 5 years they would lose exploitation right. Also if anything was exploited with my IP I should get 0.1% of revenue (profits can be made to appear to be zero)

Big companies often want to treat people like serfs. Yes the work is done mostly but not all in their time. Much depends on prior art and experience.

Design is not the same as screwing wheel nuts on. It's unreasonable that the Company should completely own the ideas. It's reasonable that having hired you that they should have exclusive exploitation for a reasonable period but that the creator should get some ongoing royalty as well as the original salary

2011\06\09@065459 by Lindy Mayfield

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If I have an apple and I sell it to you, then i have to pay taxes on the money you gave me, then you sell the apple to someone else, then you pay taxes, then they sell it, they pay taxes, and they sell it back to me then more taxes.  I make make apple cider and sell that to you, then I go to jail or get a huge fine for selling bootleg alcohol because, yes, I didn't pay the booze tax.

I once read somewhere that trading the apple for a pear is not legal.  Bartering.  Bypassing all taxes. I don't know if that is true or not, and I'm not smart enough to know how to check.
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Subject: [OT]:  Trading Apples

"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then
each of us will have two ideas."
(George Bernard Shaw)

"The only thing necessary to the triumph of evil, is that good men do
nothing."
(Edmund Burke)

2011\06\09@100231 by PICdude

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Quoting Lindy Mayfield <.....lindy.mayfieldKILLspamspam.....ssf.sas.com>:

> ...
> I once read somewhere that trading the apple for a pear is not  
> legal.  Bartering.  Bypassing all taxes. I don't know if that is  
> true or not, and I'm not smart enough to know how to check.


I doubt it.  Here in the US, if I buy a car from a dealer and trade in  a car, I pay sales tax on the difference.

Cheers,
-Neil.

2011\06\09@122328 by Lindy Mayfield

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That is my point exactly.  You pay another tax

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Quoting Lindy Mayfield <KILLspamlindy.mayfieldKILLspamspamssf.sas.com>:

> ...
> I once read somewhere that trading the apple for a pear is not  
> legal.  Bartering.  Bypassing all taxes. I don't know if that is  
> true or not, and I'm not smart enough to know how to check.


I doubt it.  Here in the US, if I buy a car from a dealer and trade in a car, I pay sales tax on the difference.

Cheers,
-Neil.

2011\06\09@123652 by Bob Blick

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> That is my point exactly.  You pay another tax

How quickly a nice sentiment about sharing knowledge can turn into a
serial whinefest about taxes.

Time to move on.

Thank you.

Bob

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2011\06\09@131926 by Oli Glaser

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On 09/06/2011 17:36, Bob Blick wrote:
>> That is my point exactly.  You pay another tax
> How quickly a nice sentiment about sharing knowledge can turn into a
> serial whinefest about taxes.

Got up on the wrong side of bed again Bob? :-)

2011\06\09@132139 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 07:02 -0700, PICdude wrote:
> Quoting Lindy Mayfield <RemoveMElindy.mayfieldTakeThisOuTspamssf.sas.com>:
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> > ...
> > I once read somewhere that trading the apple for a pear is not  
> > legal.  Bartering.  Bypassing all taxes. I don't know if that is  
> > true or not, and I'm not smart enough to know how to check.
>
>
> I doubt it.  Here in the US, if I buy a car from a dealer and trade in  
> a car, I pay sales tax on the difference.

That's certainly true here in Ontario, Canada as well, you only pay
sales tax on the difference between your car and your trade in.

Also, buying and selling your home is mostly tax free if it's your
primary residence (no income tax on the capital gains, no sales tax on
the transaction, there is a land transfer tax on the buying of a home
amounting to something like 2% of purchase price).

TTYL

2011\06\09@135953 by Bob Blick

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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:19 +0100, "Oli Glaser" wrote:

> > How quickly a nice sentiment about sharing knowledge can turn into a
> > serial whinefest about taxes.
>
> Got up on the wrong side of bed again Bob? :-)

My mood is great. Please don't spoil it.

Thanks,

Bob

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2011\06\09@153007 by Oli Glaser

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On 09/06/2011 18:59, Bob Blick wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:19 +0100, "Oli Glaser" wrote:
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>>> How quickly a nice sentiment about sharing knowledge can turn into a
>>> serial whinefest about taxes.
>> Got up on the wrong side of bed again Bob? :-)
> My mood is great. Please don't spoil it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

Bob, seriously, if your mood is so great then why do you feel the need to insult other members of the list?
I'm sure you could have put the above in a pleasant and friendly way, which was what I was trying to hint at.

2011\06\09@160834 by Bob Blick

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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:29 +0100, "Oli Glaser"  wrote:

> Bob, seriously, if your mood is so great then why do you feel the need
> to insult other members of the list?
> I'm sure you could have put the above in a pleasant and friendly way,
> which was what I was trying to hint at.

Lots of people feel insulted at any correction.

Should I have added smileys? AT LEAST I DIDN'T USE ALL CAPS.

I need to get my message across. I don't drown people in thousand-word
replies. I edit what I write before I send it.

I have gobs of tolerance for newbies and engineering.

If someone wants to whine about Microchip's new sample policy, at least
that has some relevance to the Piclist.

But I object to taking a nice sentiment about fruit and the sharing of
knowledge and using it as an excuse to start a serial whinefest about
taxes.

That kind of behavior is insulting the whole Piclist.

Any more questions?

Friendly regards,

Bob




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2011\06\09@175634 by Oli Glaser

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On 09/06/2011 21:08, Bob Blick wrote:
> Lots of people feel insulted at any correction.

Indeed, and lots of people feel insulted when they are insulted...

> If someone wants to whine about Microchip's new sample policy, at least
> that has some relevance to the Piclist.
>
> But I object to taking a nice sentiment about fruit and the sharing of
> knowledge and using it as an excuse to start a serial whinefest about
> taxes.
>

You can object politely. Doesn't always need to be long and flowery, in fact it can be shorter - you just leave the insults out ;-)

> That kind of behavior is insulting the whole Piclist.

I see - but even if that were true, does it make yours any better?
All I saw was a bunch of people having what seemed to be a discussion about bartering and taxes. I didn't see too much whining or moaning, more people stating some facts, some of which I found interesting and a valid OT subject.


> Any more questions?
>

No, but then again I didn't really ask any to start with..

If you feel my point is not relevant then that's okay. I can imagine it's hard at times to be an admin, and I know you put a lot of your time and effort into the list.

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