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'[OT]: Poll: Jury duty attitude'
2006\02\03@063818 by Bob Axtell

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:

>Gus Salavatore Calabrese wrote a multiple choice poll...
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>>1 ) Interest in serving on a Jury
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>Too complex for such a test, if you are after more than statistics to fool
>somebody :)
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>IMO this, like most important subjects, is not a bunch of "this or that"
>questions. Most answers are shades of many colors, not only shades of grey.
>It's about the right balance...
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>Gerhard
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In December, I served on a jury deciding the fate of a 29 year old man
who raped 7
young women and stole their computers, wallets, etc as well as their
virtue. It took
3 weeks out of my life, but was an incredible experience. I would not
want to serve
often, but I consider it one of the most rewarding times of my life. My
fellow AZ jurors,
many without college educations, were VERY savvy about life, and missed
NOTHING
that went on in that trial.

He was charged with 36 felony counts. we found him guilty of all of
them. He was
sentenced to 119 years in prison. And he earned every minute of it.

--Bob

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2006\02\03@074949 by Mark Jordan

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On 3 Feb 2006 at 4:38, Bob Axtell wrote:

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> He was charged with 36 felony counts. we found him guilty of all
> of them. He was sentenced to 119 years in prison. And he earned
> every minute of it.
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> --Bob
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       So, this guy is like dead for the society. Totally worthless.
And the system will pay for his maintenance during all of his
remaining life. That's an interesting problem.

       Mark

2006\02\03@090659 by Bob Axtell

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Mark Jordan wrote:

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Yes, Mark, that's about it. Seven rapes was all he was charged with; the
police knew
of many more, but only 7 could be proven. Problem? shall we let him
loose so he can
keep doing this? well, if he raped YOUR daughter, what would you think?
I watched
the mothers and fathers of those girls, they were in court every day
alongside their
daughters.

One of these days, the world will be a better place. Until then, I'll
gladly pay my share to
keep this guy locked up.

--Bob

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2006\02\03@091302 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Bob Axtell wrote:

> In December, I served on a jury deciding the fate of a 29 year old man
> who raped 7 young women and stole their computers, wallets, etc as well
> as their virtue.

You wonder why it took seven such "incidents" for him to get caught.

Gerhard

2006\02\03@092121 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Mark Jordan wrote:

> So, this guy is like dead for the society.

Not really, I think. What means "like dead" for you?

> Totally worthless.

That's a strong assumption. Anything to back that up? Like a crystal
sphere? :)

> And the system will pay for his maintenance during all of his remaining
> life. That's an interesting problem.

Yes, it is. And it deserves to be looked at with the facts straight and
neatly separated from the believes and assumptions. (Not that believes and
assumptions are worthless, but they should be treated differently than
facts.)

Gerhard

2006\02\03@093041 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> In December, I served on a jury deciding the fate of a
>> 29 year old man who raped 7 young women and stole their
>> computers, wallets, etc as well as their virtue.
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>You wonder why it took seven such "incidents" for him to get caught.

I alluded to having to handle a similar case as a committee member of a
club, back in November. It comes to trial this month. In this case it
appears that the charges involve instances going back around 40 years, with
wives, children and grandchildren involved (the last one is what caught him
out) and also at least one daughter of another family. My understanding is
that the Crown Prosecution Service reckon they have enough to put him away
for life, and keep him in prison (not easy to do in the UK).

2006\02\03@104141 by Bob Axtell

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:

>Bob Axtell wrote:
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>>In December, I served on a jury deciding the fate of a 29 year old man
>>who raped 7 young women and stole their computers, wallets, etc as well
>>as their virtue.
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>You wonder why it took seven such "incidents" for him to get caught.
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>Gerhard
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It is a wonderful story, actually good enough to write a book. He was a
used car salesman,
and the company required everyone test-driving a car to provide a
driver's license. While
the girl was out test-driving the car, he took down her information.
Most were students at
the Univ of Arizona in Tucson. He was terrorizing these college girls
over a two-year period.

He would break into their apartments at night, awaken them and threaten
them with a
gun or knife. It took a while because the local forensics lab was
fighting  DNA contamination
and the results were spotty for a month or two, but he was cut (had a
visectomy) so his
ejaculate contained no DNA.

But while his ejaculate had no DNA, his saliva did. He had a habit of
sucking nipples, and
his DNA was recovered on several nipples of several of the girls. They
also found his finger
prints in several places, and his palm prints in two others. In one
case, an apartment security
camera clearly showed him hauling away one student's PC and monitor at
2:30 AM..

He was caught because one night they were able to identify his running
shoes, and the
police patrols were told how to spot someone wearing those shoes. At
3AM, a man was
running near the University complex wearing those shoes, and a
sharp-eyed young
patrolman spotted him FROM HIS POLICE CAR and stopped him.

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If I found out this guy had raped MY daughter, 119 years in prison would
be the least of
his worries...

--Bob  

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2006\02\03@105019 by Mario Mendes Jr.

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No, not loose, but put to work breaking rocks in the middle of the Arizona
desert where it's 3 or 4 days on foot to reach any sort of civilization, that
way, if he ran away, he'd be no danger to anyone.  The amount of food that
he'd be given would be equivalent to the amount of volume of rocks he broke
that day, the same with water, medical supplies, etc.  And he'd also need an
explosive colar around his ankles (yes both of them) so that if he tried to
scape and crossed a certain perimeter his feet would be blown to smitherenes
and bleed to death as he stumped out into the desert.

It's a good thing he got what some people think he deserved, but he still
costs me more in taxes than his life is worth in the can.  Make him work to
pay for his stay in jail, then I'll think it was a really fair sentencing.

-mmj




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2006\02\04@094702 by Russell McMahon

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>> He was charged with 36 felony counts. we found him guilty of all
>> of them. He was sentenced to 119 years in prison. And he earned
>> every minute of it.

> So, this guy is like dead for the society. Totally worthless.
> And the system will pay for his maintenance during all of his
> remaining life. That's an interesting problem.

Just a cost of doing business.


   RM


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