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'[EE]: PS2 mod chip provider jailed'
2003\04\14@091529 by Russell McMahon

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Interesting:

"Virginia man sentenced to 5 months for selling PS2 mod chips
NEW YORK (April 13  4:53 p.m. EDT) - A Virginia man has been sentenced to
five months in
prison for operating a Web site that helped video game enthusiasts
bypass anti-piracy technology on popular games."


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2003\04\14@103446 by Marc Nicholas

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And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to
incarcerate him? (I think not...)

God Bless the DMCA...

-marc


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2003\04\14@105758 by Marc Joffe

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It is not Sony's responsibility to reimburse the state. Do families of
murder victims pay for the murderer to sit in jail? Would you expect a
store that is robbed to pay for the thief to sit in jail?

Also, if you put all your effort in to a device that you wanted to sell
wouldn't you want it protected.

MArc


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2003\04\14@121902 by Mike Harrison

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:56:45 -0400, you wrote:

>It is not Sony's responsibility to reimburse the state. Do families of
>murder victims pay for the murderer to sit in jail? Would you expect a
>store that is robbed to pay for the thief to sit in jail?
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>Also, if you put all your effort in to a device that you wanted to sell
>wouldn't you want it protected.

..and anyway they've  probably already paid out a fortune to get the legislation there in the first
place....!

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2003\04\14@122903 by Marc Nicholas

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My point is that it's expensive to keep someone in jail for what should be a
civil and not a criminal issue. It was meant somewhat tongue-in-cheek.



-marc

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2003\04\14@151017 by William Chops Westfield

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> And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to
> incarcerate him? (I think not...)

Other issues aside, isn't this exactly what taxes are for?  You are
effectively paying the state to protect you and your interests,
according to standardized laws...

BillW

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2003\04\14@180447 by Rob Robson

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> Other issues aside, isn't this exactly what taxes are for?  You are
> effectively paying the state to protect you and your interests,
> according to standardized laws...

I think the point is still made that public resources may have better
applications (e.g. the public good) than the protection of a microscopic
fraction of Sony's interests.

Rob Robson

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2003\04\14@181453 by John Ferrell

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It is especially interesting since Sony sells music and MP3 stuff.

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2003\04\14@182015 by Marc Nicholas

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On 14/4/03 15:28, "Rob Robson" <KILLspamdanaggerKILLspamspamTELUS.NET> wrote:

>> Other issues aside, isn't this exactly what taxes are for?  You are
>> effectively paying the state to protect you and your interests,
>> according to standardized laws...
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> I think the point is still made that public resources may have better
> applications (e.g. the public good) than the protection of a microscopic
> fraction of Sony's interests.
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> Rob Robson

Exactly!!!

Plus most major corporations actually avoid paying very large tax bills in
the US...at least on a Federal level.

I'd rather see books being bought for schools than PS2 mod chip
"entrepreneurs" being put behind bars. I mean, surely he could have been
slapped with a civil penalty to deter him?

As I said: God Bless the DMCA.

-marc

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2003\04\14@192844 by SavanaPics

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WOw.. Sony is actually going to pay them 2500.00 per week..   I guess the
courts can be bought after all

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2003\04\15@131411 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Marc Nicholas wrote:
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But we should not forget that the law is the law.

When you prosecute someone by not paying you a bill of $1000, the judge can
put the guy behind bars, even that it will cost $1200 a week to the
government, and you still without your $1000...!

We should not forget that this $1200/week is already allocated to the
judicial (and penal) system, using it or not, it will not be used anywhere
else.

Perhaps Sony should be the one to donate some books to schools, isn't it?
They are "guilty" to distract students in front of their game machines...
:)

If this is the issue, then HP, Canon, Epson and others will prosecute all
those refill ink companies, including Office Depot and others that already
have their own refill kit brand... interesting, isn't it?

We should open a new discussion thread about "Piracy".
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There is this poor boy, who dreams to taste chocolate ice cream. His family
is so poor that he knows it will take many years until he will be able to
buy his own ice cream.  In the same street, other 10 poor families has boys
like that, they are all friends.  Someday they find out how to multiply one
ice-cream cone into 10 cones, mixing with ice, water, sugar and whatever
they found, so each boy could have its own ice cream.  They join coins and
buy one ice cream, in few minutes they multiply it by 10...  The Ice Cream
company can sue them, because the company lost 9 sales. Lost? Lost?  They
made ONE sale based on the boys discovery... otherwise they will sell
anything to the boys, and that is the pure truth!

Taking it to the PS2 issue, I think hundred of thousands of PS2 consoles
where sold just because it is possible to do IT. Hundred of thousands of
PS2 games are rented just because it is the way to do IT.  There is another
point on it... being able to do IT, Sony sold millions of game consoles
more than the competition, increasing Sony's market share, right?... think
about it.  Why do you think PS2 still at $199 at stores and never dropped a
penny?  Why a single DVD or CD game cost around $40?  Extra profit to
compensate something? you guessed it right!

Not protecting or encouraging anything, let me tell you that our best
seller eprom programmer was the first, when we open everything, drawing,
schematic, board, components, software, etc.   People could build their own
at home, thousands came to buy it in kit, other thousands bought in ready
working form.  We never LOST anything, this "marketing cost" was included
in the sales price... IT WAS PLANNED, simple as that.  I don't believe
Sony's hundreds of high paid marketing and finance people never thought of
that.

Same for the music world... some music groups and singers are complaining
cause instead of making $20 million a month, they make only $18 million
because the MP3 piracy... They say they are actually losing $2 million
dollars/month, "that's unfair. Lets put someone behind bars"!!!  It is
their voice, their right for the full money, of course, if people had money
to buy it.

Again, if you can't buy your games, DO NOT DO PIRACY, keep working, get
older, build a family, save money, then buy it for your kids and play with
them.  At least you will be doing a great job, your kids (or grandkids)
will enjoy playing it with you.

Wagner.

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2003\04\15@144131 by Olin Lathrop

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> We should open a new discussion thread about "Piracy".

No, you shouldn't, or at least take it to OT.  This has gone on way too
long already with the EE tag.


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2003\04\15@144552 by Andrew Warren

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Marc Nicholas <RemoveMEPICLISTspamTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu> wrote:

> My point is that it's expensive to keep someone in jail for what
> should be a civil and not a criminal issue.

Guys:

The person in question has been sentenced to five months of
incarceration in his own home, not in a prison... And he was fined
$28,500, which should help to defray some of the state's costs.

-Andrew

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