Post by thread:[EE]: PS2 mod chip provider jailed

And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to incarcerate him? (I think not...) God Bless the DMCA... -marc On 14/4/03 09:01, "Russell McMahon" <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTPARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Interesting: > > "Virginia man sentenced to 5 months for selling PS2 mod chips > NEW YORK (April 13 4:53 p.m. EDT) - A Virginia man has been sentenced to > five months in > prison for operating a Web site that helped video game enthusiasts > bypass anti-piracy technology on popular games." > > > RM > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -------------------------------------------------- Marc Nicholas Geekythings Inc. C/416.543.4896 UNIX, Database, Security and Networking Consulting -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

It is not Sony's responsibility to reimburse the state. Do families of murder victims pay for the murderer to sit in jail? Would you expect a store that is robbed to pay for the thief to sit in jail? Also, if you put all your effort in to a device that you wanted to sell wouldn't you want it protected. MArc On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 09:46, Marc Nicholas wrote: {Quote hidden}> And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to > incarcerate him? (I think not...) > > God Bless the DMCA... > > -marc > > > On 14/4/03 09:01, "Russell McMahon" <.....apptechKILLspam@spam@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote: > > > Interesting: > > > > "Virginia man sentenced to 5 months for selling PS2 mod chips > > NEW YORK (April 13 4:53 p.m. EDT) - A Virginia man has been sentenced to > > five months in > > prison for operating a Web site that helped video game enthusiasts > > bypass anti-piracy technology on popular games." > > > > > > RM > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Marc Nicholas Geekythings Inc. C/416.543.4896 > UNIX, Database, Security and Networking Consulting > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

My point is that it's expensive to keep someone in jail for what should be a civil and not a criminal issue. It was meant somewhat tongue-in-cheek. -marc On 14/4/03 10:56, "Marc Joffe" <marcjoffeKILLspamYAHOO.CA> wrote: {Quote hidden}> It is not Sony's responsibility to reimburse the state. Do families of > murder victims pay for the murderer to sit in jail? Would you expect a > store that is robbed to pay for the thief to sit in jail? > > Also, if you put all your effort in to a device that you wanted to sell > wouldn't you want it protected. > > MArc > > > On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 09:46, Marc Nicholas wrote: >> And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to >> incarcerate him? (I think not...) >> >> God Bless the DMCA... >> >> -marc >> >> >> On 14/4/03 09:01, "Russell McMahon" <.....apptechKILLspam.....PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote: >> >>> Interesting: >>> >>> "Virginia man sentenced to 5 months for selling PS2 mod chips >>> NEW YORK (April 13 4:53 p.m. EDT) - A Virginia man has been sentenced to >>> five months in >>> prison for operating a Web site that helped video game enthusiasts >>> bypass anti-piracy technology on popular games." >>> >>> >>> RM >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different >>> ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Marc Nicholas Geekythings Inc. C/416.543.4896 >> UNIX, Database, Security and Networking Consulting >> >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different >> ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -------------------------------------------------- Marc Nicholas Geekythings Inc. C/416.543.4896 UNIX, Database, Security and Networking Consulting -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

It is especially interesting since Sony sells music and MP3 stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Joffe" <EraseMEmarcjoffespam_OUTTakeThisOuTYAHOO.CA> To: <PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [EE]: PS2 mod chip provider jailed {Quote hidden}> It is not Sony's responsibility to reimburse the state. Do families of > murder victims pay for the murderer to sit in jail? Would you expect a > store that is robbed to pay for the thief to sit in jail? > > Also, if you put all your effort in to a device that you wanted to sell > wouldn't you want it protected. > > MArc > > > On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 09:46, Marc Nicholas wrote: > > And Sony are going to reimburse the State the $2500/week it costs to > > incarcerate him? (I think not...) > > > > God Bless the DMCA... > > > > -marc > > > > > > On 14/4/03 09:01, "Russell McMahon" <@spam@apptechKILLspamPARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote: > > > > > Interesting: > > > > > > "Virginia man sentenced to 5 months for selling PS2 mod chips > > > NEW YORK (April 13 4:53 p.m. EDT) - A Virginia man has been sentenced to {Quote hidden}> > > five months in > > > prison for operating a Web site that helped video game enthusiasts > > > bypass anti-piracy technology on popular games." > > > > > > > > > RM > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Marc Nicholas Geekythings Inc. C/416.543.4896 > > UNIX, Database, Security and Networking Consulting > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

On 14/4/03 15:28, "Rob Robson" <KILLspamdanaggerKILLspamTELUS.NET> wrote: >> Other issues aside, isn't this exactly what taxes are for? You are >> effectively paying the state to protect you and your interests, >> according to standardized laws... > > I think the point is still made that public resources may have better > applications (e.g. the public good) than the protection of a microscopic > fraction of Sony's interests. > > Rob Robson Exactly!!! Plus most major corporations actually avoid paying very large tax bills in the US...at least on a Federal level. I'd rather see books being bought for schools than PS2 mod chip "entrepreneurs" being put behind bars. I mean, surely he could have been slapped with a civil penalty to deter him? As I said: God Bless the DMCA. -marc -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

Marc Nicholas wrote: {Quote hidden}> On 14/4/03 15:28, "Rob Robson" <RemoveMEdanaggerTakeThisOuTTELUS.NET> wrote: > >>> Other issues aside, isn't this exactly what taxes are for? You are >>> effectively paying the state to protect you and your interests, >>> according to standardized laws... >> >> I think the point is still made that public resources may have better >> applications (e.g. the public good) than the protection of a >> microscopic fraction of Sony's interests. >> >> Rob Robson > > Exactly!!! > > Plus most major corporations actually avoid paying very large tax > bills in the US...at least on a Federal level. > > I'd rather see books being bought for schools than PS2 mod chip > "entrepreneurs" being put behind bars. I mean, surely he could have > been slapped with a civil penalty to deter him? > > As I said: God Bless the DMCA. But we should not forget that the law is the law. When you prosecute someone by not paying you a bill of $1000, the judge can put the guy behind bars, even that it will cost $1200 a week to the government, and you still without your $1000...! We should not forget that this $1200/week is already allocated to the judicial (and penal) system, using it or not, it will not be used anywhere else. Perhaps Sony should be the one to donate some books to schools, isn't it? They are "guilty" to distract students in front of their game machines... :) If this is the issue, then HP, Canon, Epson and others will prosecute all those refill ink companies, including Office Depot and others that already have their own refill kit brand... interesting, isn't it? We should open a new discussion thread about "Piracy". === There is this poor boy, who dreams to taste chocolate ice cream. His family is so poor that he knows it will take many years until he will be able to buy his own ice cream. In the same street, other 10 poor families has boys like that, they are all friends. Someday they find out how to multiply one ice-cream cone into 10 cones, mixing with ice, water, sugar and whatever they found, so each boy could have its own ice cream. They join coins and buy one ice cream, in few minutes they multiply it by 10... The Ice Cream company can sue them, because the company lost 9 sales. Lost? Lost? They made ONE sale based on the boys discovery... otherwise they will sell anything to the boys, and that is the pure truth! Taking it to the PS2 issue, I think hundred of thousands of PS2 consoles where sold just because it is possible to do IT. Hundred of thousands of PS2 games are rented just because it is the way to do IT. There is another point on it... being able to do IT, Sony sold millions of game consoles more than the competition, increasing Sony's market share, right?... think about it. Why do you think PS2 still at $199 at stores and never dropped a penny? Why a single DVD or CD game cost around $40? Extra profit to compensate something? you guessed it right! Not protecting or encouraging anything, let me tell you that our best seller eprom programmer was the first, when we open everything, drawing, schematic, board, components, software, etc. People could build their own at home, thousands came to buy it in kit, other thousands bought in ready working form. We never LOST anything, this "marketing cost" was included in the sales price... IT WAS PLANNED, simple as that. I don't believe Sony's hundreds of high paid marketing and finance people never thought of that. Same for the music world... some music groups and singers are complaining cause instead of making $20 million a month, they make only $18 million because the MP3 piracy... They say they are actually losing $2 million dollars/month, "that's unfair. Lets put someone behind bars"!!! It is their voice, their right for the full money, of course, if people had money to buy it. Again, if you can't buy your games, DO NOT DO PIRACY, keep working, get older, build a family, save money, then buy it for your kids and play with them. At least you will be doing a great job, your kids (or grandkids) will enjoy playing it with you. Wagner. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spamBeGonelistservspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body