Post by thread:[EE]: MS windows calculator

Hello PIC.ers, I use the windows ms calculator a lot, for hex <> binary <> dec conversions and direct calculations in the bases without having to rigmarole (through eg base10) to get a hex multiply or divide done. Well & good, the help file says it operates out to 32 digits, but this seems to only apply to decimal, not hex. which saturates at 6 digits (= 24bits). Has anyone figured out how to get the thing to go further? I want to do 64bit or 8 hex. byte calcs. best regards, John e-mail from the desk of John Sanderson, JS Controls. Snailmail: PO Box 1887, Boksburg 1460, Rep. of South Africa. Tel/fax: Johannesburg 893 4154 Cellphone no: 082 741 6275 email: spam_OUTjsandTakeThisOuTpixie.co.za Manufacturer & purveyor of laboratory force testing apparatus, and related products and services. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

What version do you have? The version of calculator I have, Windows98, works for 8 Hexadecimal digits (32bits, Dword). There's a good _free_ program named Calc98 that works with up to 12 Hex digits (48bits) @ http://www.calculator.org I don't know of any calculators that work with 16 Hex digits (64bits) but, there must be some out there. Paul {Quote hidden}> I use the windows ms calculator a lot, for hex <> binary <> dec > conversions > and direct calculations in the bases without having to rigmarole > (through eg base10) to get a hex multiply or divide done. > > Well & good, the help file says it operates out to 32 digits, but > this seems > to only apply to decimal, not hex. which saturates at 6 digits (= 24bits). > > Has anyone figured out how to get the thing to go further? > I want to do 64bit or 8 hex. byte calcs. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Paul Hutchinson wrote: > What version do you have? > The version of calculator I have, Windows98, works for 8 Hexadecimal digits > (32bits, Dword). > > There's a good _free_ program named Calc98 that works with up to 12 Hex > digits (48bits) @ > http://www.calculator.org > > I don't know of any calculators that work with 16 Hex digits (64bits) but, > there must be some out there. What's wrong with bc (or dc)? Here's pi to 40 hex digits: $ echo "obase=16;scale=40;4*a(1)" | bc -l 3.243F6A8885A308D313198A2E0370734483 Scott -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> What's wrong with bc (or dc)? Cool, if someday I need to work with more than 12 Hex digits I'll do it on one of my Linux PC's. But, the person who made the post that I was responding to was using Windows. So, I assumed they were looking for a Windows solution. Don't know if they have any *nix puters. Paul -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

At 11:59 AM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >if they have any *nix puters. I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block out the U in unix? Sean ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> From: Paul Hutchinson [.....phutchinsonKILLspam@spam@IMTRA.COM] > > > What's wrong with bc (or dc)? > Cool, if someday I need to work with more than 12 Hex digits > I'll do it on > one of my Linux PC's. > > But, the person who made the post that I was responding to was using > Windows. So, I assumed they were looking for a Windows > solution. Don't know > if they have any *nix puters. > > Paul Cygwin, don't leave *nix without it. (I can't take credit for the slogan) http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ -Mike -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> From: Sean H. Breheny [shb7KILLspamCORNELL.EDU] > > At 11:59 AM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >if they have any *nix puters. > > I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do > people block > out the U in unix? > > Sean I thought that they were blocking out the Li in Linux. :-) -Mike -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block >out the U in unix? Because unix is only one flavour, and they want to infer others such as Linux. Also I believe Unix is a trademark of AT&T (or used to be, do not know who would own it now). -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do > people block > out the U in unix? Wild card. Matches Linux, Unix, Xenix etc etc. Used to refer to almost anything unix-like. Ref the calculator - if bc is open source, it could always be rebuilt under Cygwin... <G> Peter This email, its content and any attachments is PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL to TANDBERG Television. If received in error please notify the sender and destroy the original message and attachments. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

I installed Cygwin during lunch break and found it includes bc as one of the options. Paul {Quote hidden}> > > Ref the calculator - if bc is open source, it could always be > rebuilt under > > Cygwin... <G> > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/bc/bc.html > > Scott > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> >if they have any *nix puters. > > I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block > out the U in unix? That sort of stands for all kinds of unixes (rembember there was a xenix sometime). So *nix is a wildcard expression matching Unix, Xenix, Linux, etc. Wouter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Will gpsim work under cygwin? Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams > > Cygwin, don't leave *nix without it. (I can't take credit for the slogan) > > > > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ > > > > -Mike > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Josh Koffman wrote: > Will gpsim work under cygwin? One person has got it working there. I tried it on a Win98 box and it didn't work too well. The simulation ran quickly, but the gui was really bad. This has been almost a year, so perhaps the gtk port to windows is now better. Scott -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

To the best of my knowledge (as a user) you won't be able to use it beyond 32 bits. I use Unix bc (under FreeBSD or Linux) for more complicated calculations. I think that it has been compiled as an .exe using the cygwin toolchain but I don't know where you could download it. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Peter L. Peres wrote: > To the best of my knowledge (as a user) you won't be able to use it beyond > 32 bits. I use Unix bc (under FreeBSD or Linux) for more complicated > calculations. I think that it has been compiled as an .exe using the > cygwin toolchain but I don't know where you could download it. Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can only guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your suggestion about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary precision calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision before a calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, if you wish to use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke it with the -l (ell) option. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

>Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can only >guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your suggestion >about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary precision >calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision before a >calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, if you wish to >use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke it with the -l (ell) >option. I know all that. My response was to the original question, and the it was the MS windows calculator. As I said I know and use bc. Btw no-one has mentioned that one can write programs for bc (not just use it interactively). This is a powerful feature if you need to do something repetitively. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter L Peres <.....plpKILLspam.....ACTCOM.CO.IL> writes: Peter> >> Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can >> only guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your >> suggestion about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary >> precision calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision >> before a calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, >> if you wish to use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke >> it with the -l (ell) option. Peter> Peter> I know all that. My response was to the original question, and Peter> the it was the MS windows calculator. As I said I know and use Peter> bc. Peter> Peter> Btw no-one has mentioned that one can write programs for bc Peter> (not just use it interactively). This is a powerful feature if Peter> you need to do something repetitively. Peter> Peter> Peter Perhaps it is also worthy of mention that a bc can be found for DOS/Windows. I use the "GNU Tools for MS-Windows and MS-DOS" CD and book, which I ordered from the Free Software Foundation. It includes a simple install script, which puts everything in C:\gnu or the directory of your choice (no messing with the registry, uninstalling is as simple as deleteing the directory) (you can also set it up to run directly off the CD-ROM) and inludes emacs, vi, bash, sed, awk, perl, find, grep, dd, cpio, make, all those good things, including of course bc. I think the cygwin distribution does the same, but last time I messed with it I could not figure out how to download everything to make a CD, only how to install over the web, and I needed to put it on a non-net connected machine. If someone is interested in this CD or a few of the tools from it and can't get it from other sources, send me an email off the list. I might be able to email you the stuff you want, or mail you a CD. --Rob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

Hello Paul & PIC.ers, I was the one who initiated this hex calc. thing. Sure, I'm using windose, positively awash here with 3 flavours of it in PCs & an ole DOS 286 m/c dedicated to logic analyser work etc., et.. I even have a C/PM 8bitter tied to a very special differential-strain load cell. Looong hex wouldn't have arisen except that I have to code an instrument for 1msec resolution in timing, for a possible duration of 78 days. I'd love to say g'bye to MS windows (who under the sun *needs* umpteen different ways to call the same app. with chimes & useless bells / whistles) but my guiding light has to be Microchip & the MPLAB IDE. So, I have the MS calculator with dec. digit calcs the length of my arm but it runs out of steam if I throw hex numbers at it worth more'n a mere couple of trillion. *nix ? I'm listening. Is Microchip tuned into this wavelength too? best regards, John {Quote hidden}>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:59:49 -0500 >From: Paul Hutchinson <EraseMEphutchinsonspam_OUTTakeThisOuTIMTRA.COM> >Subject: Re: [EE]: MS windows calculator > >> What's wrong with bc (or dc)? >Cool, if someday I need to work with more than 12 Hex digits I'll do it on >one of my Linux PC's. > >But, the person who made the post that I was responding to was using >Windows. So, I assumed they were looking for a Windows solution. Don't know >if they have any *nix puters. > >Paul e-mail from the desk of John Sanderson, JS Controls. Snailmail: PO Box 1887, Boksburg 1460, Rep. of South Africa. Tel/fax: Johannesburg 893 4154 Cellphone no: 082 741 6275 email: jsandspam_OUTpixie.co.za Manufacturer & purveyor of laboratory force testing apparatus, and related products and services. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email @spam@listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Make your own. If your only thing is converting to/from hex, it's not very hard to make a string manipulation program in Delphi or VisualC or Java or whatever. Unless you don't have any programming experience in higher languages. I'm kinda busy right now, anyone else upto a nice little project to bite in? <PAUSE> After doing some google work: http://www.cyphercalc.com/ Features Fast multiprecision integer math. Accepts operands up to 16,384 bits in length. Built-in programming language to automate calculations. Built-in Hex/Decimal converters. And more... I'm not related to this company, haven't tried it, but looks like something you're looking for. Regards, Claudio {Original Message removed}

part 1 1167 bytes content-type:text/plain; (decoded 7bit) I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies if this has been suggested, and I only just remembered this post from last year. I've included one screen shot too (sorry, but it's such a great calculator) The site below is no longer available, but a +Excalibur +calculator search at Google brings up plenty of alternative download sites for this free utility ================================================ Subject: [EE]: Anyone knows of a really good windows (programmers) calculat or ? > > {Original Message removed} part 2 15876 bytes content-type:image/gif; (decode) part 3 136 bytes -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

At 11:36 PM 2/4/02 +1300, Jinx wrote: >I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies >if this has been suggested, and I only just remembered this >post from last year. I've included one screen shot too (sorry, >but it's such a great calculator) > >The site below is no longer available, but a +Excalibur +calculator >search at Google brings up plenty of alternative download sites >for this free utility I have spoken with the author (Dave Bernazzani) recently - his current download site is: <http://www.geocities.com/dbergis/freeware.htm> . Its a great program but I don't know if it handles sufficiently large numbers. dwayne Dwayne Reid <spamBeGonedwaynerspamBeGoneplanet.eon.net> Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax Celebrating 18 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2002) .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

The calculator in my copy of Win2000 supports 64 bit hex values. Bob Ammerman RAm Systems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter L. Peres" <RemoveMEplpTakeThisOuTACTCOM.CO.IL> To: <PICLISTEraseME.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [EE]: MS windows calculator {Quote hidden}> >Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can only > >guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your suggestion > >about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary precision > >calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision before a > >calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, if you wish to > >use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke it with the -l (ell) > >option. > > I know all that. My response was to the original question, and the it was > the MS windows calculator. As I said I know and use bc. > > Btw no-one has mentioned that one can write programs for bc (not just use > it interactively). This is a powerful feature if you need to do something > repetitively. > > Peter > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body