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'[EE]: Eagle vs. AutoTRAX'
2003\03\04@063228 by erholm (QAC)

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Hi.
I'v used Eagle for 6 months and are right now
downloading AutoTRAX 1.22. Anyone have any
insight regarding the differences between these
two tools ? Any catch with the "free" AutoTRAX ?
Like the limitations in the "free" version of Eagle.

Jan-Erik Soderholm.

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2003\03\04@082028 by erholm (QAC)

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As an asnwer to myself...

It looks as AutoTRAX comes with much smaller builtin
component libraries. There *is* a Microship lib, but
it lacks most of the newer parts (as most "F" and all
"18" parts). But, after doing a 12F629 part, I feel
that thte library tool is a bit easier to work with then
the one in Eagle...

Jan-Erik.



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2003\03\04@174639 by Nick Veys

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I didn't care for the schematic capture or the pcb routing in AutoTRAX
myself, looked very old and for some reason psychologically that makes
me think it's inferior to Eagle.

But, there are no limitations with AutoTRAX, so it might be worth
getting over some day. :)

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2003\03\04@175054 by Nick Veys

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Also, There *HAS* to be something up with his giving it out for free.
It's too fully featured not to be destined to be a commercial product.
Odds are he'll pull a bait and switch so be careful getting too used to
using it.

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2003\03\04@175058 by Neil Bradley

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> I didn't care for the schematic capture or the pcb routing in AutoTRAX
> myself, looked very old and for some reason psychologically that makes
> me think it's inferior to Eagle.

I'm an Eagle user. Be forwarned that the parts editor in it SUCKS. Even
trying to do something simple like making a variant of an existing part is
like pulling teeth.

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2003\03\04@182216 by Ned Konz

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On Tuesday 04 March 2003 02:50 pm, Neil Bradley wrote:
> I'm an Eagle user. Be forwarned that the parts editor in it SUCKS.
> Even trying to do something simple like making a variant of an
> existing part is like pulling teeth.

The library editor itself isn't too bad; the library management is
awkward. It's easy to make a variant of a part if you have both the
symbol and the package in the same library. All you have to do is add
the new package and connect the pins.

There are a couple of scripts (ULPs) that you can download that assist
with library editing and copying.

Specifically, look at
ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/pub/userfiles/ulp/lbrcpy_12.ulp

This lets you copy parts from other libraries into the one you're
working on. You can also delete and rename parts. There's no preview
of the part, though.

You can also extract all the components used in a particular
schematic/board into a separate library using a script.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/pub/userfiles/ulp/makelbrnodups.ulp

Apparently, the next big addition to Eagle will be better library
management.

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2003\03\04@192429 by William Chops Westfield

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   I'm an Eagle user. Be forwarned that the parts editor in it
   SUCKS. Even trying to do something simple like making a variant
   of an existing part is like pulling teeth.

I don't think that's quite right.  The Eagle library editor is just fine
for creating new parts, adding new packages to parts, and your sort of
basic "creating" functions.

Where it falls apart is "library management."  Tasks such as "I want to
copy the 16F84 definition and make it into a 16F628", or "I want a library
with all the parts I commonly use" are like pulling hen's teeth...

BillW

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2003\03\04@215307 by Nick Veys

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I think he meant the AutoTRAX parts editor sucked, the Eagle editor is
super easy.

If I'm wrong maybe AutoTRAX is even easier?

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ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/pub/userfiles/ulp/makelbrnodups.ulp

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2003\03\04@235817 by Neil Bradley

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> I think he meant the AutoTRAX parts editor sucked, the Eagle editor is
> super easy.

ACtually, I did mean Eagle, but it's the librarian that's bad (the editor
is fine). Trying to take a simple part like an LM374 and tweak it to make
another part is far more difficult than it should be.

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2003\03\05@034056 by

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One thing with AutoTRAX,

I did a very simple layout and used the "plot" function
to print the PCB copper layer to my LaserJet. I selected
to have the holes printed as (white) dots inside of the pads.
Now, the signal lines going to a pad, goes all the way to the
center of the pad, partly overwriting the hole. I have not found
a solution to this so far. Anyone else seen this ?

Jan-Erik.

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2003\03\05@114329 by William Chops Westfield

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   > There are a couple of scripts (ULPs) that you can download
   > that assist with library editing and copying.

Yep.  One of the nice features of Eagle is that many "annoyances" can be
fixed with scripts and/or ULPs...


   Apparently, the next big addition to Eagle will be better library
   management.

I would hope so.  They really get beat up about it on their newsgroups, not
to mention all the questions that ought to be resolved by the library
manager.  I'm begining to gain a distinct appreciation for the differences
between a "free version" of an actual current, supported, commercial product
and some of the other freeware out there, which at worst has no current
support (ie old versions of some commercial SW), to rather "spurious"
support (various open source efforts.)

BillW

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2003\03\05@115538 by erholm (QAC)

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Now, if I'd like to put up some money to (maybe) get something
better then both Eagle and AutoTRAX, what should I look at then ?

I'm not interested in those products that are tied to some PCB
manufacturer.

Jan-Erik.

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2003\03\05@231316 by j galt

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Jan-erik Svderholm (QAC<.....Jan-erik.SoderholmKILLspamspam.....PAC.RemovE.ERICSSON.SE> wrote in
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>One thing with AutoTRAX,
>
>I did a very simple layout and used the "plot" function
>to print the PCB copper layer to my LaserJet. I selected
>to have the holes printed as (white) dots inside of the pads.
>Now, the signal lines going to a pad, goes all the way to the
>center of the pad, partly overwriting the hole. I have not found
>a solution to this so far. Anyone else seen this ?
>

Report bugs here;   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/autotrax/



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