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> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm > > udv > Csaba Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power, aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds more like a TIG welder! With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of aluminium oxide. -- Brent Brown, Electronic Design Solutions 16 English Street, Hamilton, New Zealand Ph/fax: +64 7 849 0069 Mobile/txt: 025 334 069 eMail: .....brent.brownKILLspam@spam@clear.net.nz -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

Brent Brown wrote: > > > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm > > > > udv > > Csaba > > Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power, > aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds > more like a TIG welder! > > With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have > to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of > aluminium oxide. Yes, I think this is pulse current or mesured on 12V side. udv Csaba -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList .....piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu

> Subject: [EE]:!! > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm A truly excellent reference (Hydrogen generator using water and aluminium as feed stock). But PLEASE put a brief reference to what such links are about so we can decide whether to look at the, I would probably have missed this site if others had not changed the subject line. Some real possibilities using scrap aluminium. A British torpedo ran in Aluminium & seawater. RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

Is there not a very fundamental relationship between the energy required to separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen and the energy released when the two are recombined? Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Also-Antal Csaba [antalcsspam_OUTMAIL.MATAV.HU] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:10 AM To: @spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [EE]:!! http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm udv Csaba -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList KILLspampiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

Richard Stevens wrote: > > Is there not a very fundamental relationship between the energy required to > separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen and the energy released when the two are > recombined? Yes, but this energy stored in AL. udv CSaba -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spamBeGonepiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:23:04 +1200 >From: Brent Brown <TakeThisOuTbrent.brownEraseMEspam_OUTCLEAR.NET.NZ> >Subject: Re: [EE]:!! >To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > >> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm >> >> udv >> Csaba > >Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power, >aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds >more like a TIG welder! > >With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have >to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of >aluminium oxide. There are some serious technical inconsistencies in that article. A pair of automotive ignition coils will give 18kV or more peak, and an amp or more peak, but the average power is quite low. Low enough that I don't believe for a second that it could ignite aluminum underwater! Not a chance. If they drove both coils with inverters at the resonant frequency of the output circuit, then it might work -- but that's not what they're talking about. The circuit shown is completely out of the question. The text refers to a "conventional distributor and coil arrangement", but the figure shows a highly unorthodox "distributor" on the *primary side*. That's not where it goes. Then they proceeded to put the secondaries of the coils in parallel, and drive them 180 degrees out of phase. They added a capacitor across the output, too -- just to eliminate the remote possibility that it might still work, I guess. -- Mike P. MTP Technologies KC0LLX -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Brent Brown wrote: *>> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm *>> *>> udv *>> Csaba *> *>Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power, *>aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds *>more like a TIG welder! *> *>With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have *>to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of *>aluminium oxide. The point is that the bulk of the H2O dissociation energy is provided by the Al reacting with O, not by the electrical source. The latter only provides a small part of the energy. And I don't think it's 18kW else the water in the tank would superheat in 15 minutes. He uses two standard ignition coils acc. drawings so it would be more like 200-300W input. I think that the Al oxidation also contributes heat to the device so relatively little electrical power is needed. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestmitvma.mit.edu