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1998\01\08@045131 by n Midgley

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I'm sure this topic has been done to death, so apologies.
Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
cheap (freeware/shareware?) bit of PCB design software. It only needs
to be capable of handling a few tens of pads - just so's
I can print from Windows.

Any ideas?

Many thanks

John Midgley

1998\01\08@065626 by richard skinner

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Ivex at   http://www.ivex.com  has a shareware version of drafting software
(schematic)
and PCB software that handles 100 pins for demo purposes.  Its like 39.00
to upgrade it to 220 Pads.   No Autorouter. But its simple.

Richard Skinner
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1998\01\08@084359 by jrmont

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John Midgley wrote:
>
> Cringe...
>
> I'm sure this topic has been done to death, so apologies.
> Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
> cheap (freeware/shareware?) bit of PCB design software. It only needs
> to be capable of handling a few tens of pads - just so's
> I can print from Windows.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many thanks
>
> John Midgley

I use Schematic and PCB tools from IVEX at http://www.ivex.com. The first 100
pins are free and $30.00 per 100 pins for each of the two tools after
that. The two integrate nicely and many PIC controllers are in the
library. The printing cababilities are very impressive as you can scale,
rotate, select layers and objects, invert etc. Good Luck.

1998\01\08@100233 by wilson

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Vutrax also provide a free version of their pcb design software.
The documentation is very good.

The URL is http://www.vutrax.demon.co.uk/vdesc.htm

Regards

Rod Wilson
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1998\01\08@124222 by lilel

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> Cringe...
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> I'm sure this topic has been done to death, so apologies.

You are correct.  I'm privately emailing you a long thread I captured
on this very subject.  Any one else want to se3e it?  Too long to
post here.

> Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
> cheap (freeware/shareware?) bit of PCB design software. It only
> needs to be capable of handling a few tens of pads - just so's I can
> print from Windows.

Out of all of the contenders I'd use Ivex WINBOARD and WINDRAFT for
this purpose.  I personally have stuck with AutoCad because of a huge
investment I have made in customizing for use in PC board design.
WINBOARD will wimp out fast with more complex designs. and it tends
to be a little unstable (General Protection Faults) if you don't run
the right video driver.  It also won't translate to a >DXF file so it
is useless for my purposes.




> Any ideas?
>
> Many thanks
>
> John Midgley
Best Regards,

Lawrence Lile

1998\01\08@134320 by Leon Heller

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In message <.....98Jan8.094806gmt.36905KILLspamspam.....netway.nhs.uk>, John Midgley
<EraseMEJohn.Midgleyspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTENORFOLK-HA.ANGLOX.NHS.UK> writes
>Cringe...
>
>I'm sure this topic has been done to death, so apologies.
>Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
>cheap (freeware/shareware?) bit of PCB design software. It only needs
>to be capable of handling a few tens of pads - just so's
>I can print from Windows.

It's cheap (#49), not free, but works quite well for small designs: PCB
Designer from Niche Software. You can download a demo from:

       http://www.niche.co.uk.

Leon
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See http://www.lfheller.demon.co.uk/dds.htm for details of my AD9850
DDS system - schematic and software.

1998\01\08@171750 by Graeme Odgers

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John Midgley wrote:

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> I'm sure this topic has been done to death, so apologies.
> Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
> cheap (freeware/shareware?)

John you will find a program, manual and tutorial at at
http://www.ivex.com

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1998\01\08@173821 by Bill (WL) Boulton

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John

This isn't a Windows program but Protel Easy Trax has drivers for Linotron
1200 dpi. Put the ".pcb" file through Easy Plot to a disk and take the post
script file to a printers' bureau for the best film you have ever seen.
I've had great success with double sided boards (.010" tracks on .025"
centres) that are better than some commercial houses do.

Unless you have access to a Linotron, I dont think home printing is worth
the effort.

Bill.

At 08:41 AM 8/01/98 +0000, you wrote:
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1998\01\09@123719 by lilel

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Ramblings about PCB design:

> Pardon me jumping in here:
> I am using Tango, the old DOS version and am presently attempting to
> learn autocad for mechanical drawings.  Orcad is my schematic
> package. Tango works well for me but there is no video driver
> support and it hangs more often under Win95.  Would like to buy a
> new package but don't know what to buy, expensive to make a mistake
> (5-10k) and learning curve is long - (maybe I'm getting old also).
> The real problem other than above, and I think this will be a common
> thread to this newsgroup is, I work on one or more projects at a
> time and each project is usually done in 2-3 months.  A project
> consists of interfacing with the customer, design, software debug,
> PC layout, sending the girber files for manufacture, assembling the
> hardware and testing it, schematic draw, documentation and finally,
> the part I like, sending a bill.  Most of the packages I have/am
> looking at are for full time PC layout people, not jack of all
> trades like myself (us).  Hope these ramblings are useful, any
> comments? Mike Montaigne
>

My only comment is - Use AutoCad.  There are pro's and cons, but IF
YOU HAVE TO INTERFACE WITH MECHANICAL DESIGNERS Autocad has a big
plus.  IF YOU HAVE TO LEARN ACAD ANYWAY you also should consider
using it for circuit board design.  They mechanical designers will
either use AutoCad or something that will talk "AutoSpeak" .   You
have to buy a separate package to convert Autocad files into Gerber
files.  The best is the CAM350 series from Advance Cam Technologies,
and costs about $950 US.  Most of the others are inadequate.

Autocad plus CAM350 would run you about $3k US

AutoCad is really stable.  You don't get constant GP faults and
"Violated SYstem Integrity" messages like with some electronics
packages.

AutoCad will draw anything you can imagine.  There is no shape,
trace, text, funny shaped component, etc. that Autocad can't
represent.  Many electronic CAD packages will only do a small subset
of parts, limit you on nodes, etc. etc.

AutoCad Lite ($500) would probably be adequate for PC board design if
you don't care to draw in 3D or use custom LISP routines.

I've revved up my Autocad blocks for PC board design to include 3d
representations of each part.  My Mechanical designers take an
Autocad generated IGES file and import it directly into their 3d
model, and it's all made from the same file as my basic copper
layout.  I'll post them (the blocks, not the mechanical
designers...) on my web page as soon as I can catch my breath, maybe
2-4 weeks.  I'm also working on sticking these symbols onto a Kurta
tablet, so if you need a resistor you just click on the picture.

The biggest con to AutoCad is that it does not do schematic capture.
You have to manually insure that your copper matches your schematic.
For my purposes this is fine, I never design anything with more than
100 nodes, and I always have a technician double check lots of things
anyway.  For a really complex project like laying out a motherboard
AutoCad would be unacceptable.


A good set of Autocad resources for electronics is located at:
http://members.sockets.net/~llile/index.htm
Along with a bunch of dorky pictures of my family and other detritus
found on similarly bad web pages.

Best Regards,

Lawrence Lile

1998\01\09@152740 by tefan Ranguelov

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Hi


John Midgley wrote:
> ...
> Can anyone suggest (preferably with URLs) a simple,
> cheap (freeware/shareware?) bit of PCB design software.
> ...

You can try

http://www.ibfriedrich.com/download.htm

There is a free demo Version ot the 'Target2001'
package. It is limited to 3000 elements, where an
IC counts some elements. Very easy to learn and
enough for small circuits. There are also all
Manuals in .pdf format. The Tutor-Circuit is with
a PIC ! :-)

And now some bad news : it's all in german ...

St.



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