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'(OT) 666 - was Re: Chips in our body(ABC news)'
1998\09\29@015416 by Russell McMahon

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If you want to get really paranoid about this :-) (and just maybe we
should be?)
I'm sure there will be lots of people to tell whether this is wrong
but AFAIK -
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The synch characters at the start-middle and end of the standard bar
codes we all use (sorry, don't know formal standard number) would be
decoded as a "6" using the same rules as are used for all the other
data digits - if it were not for the fact that they insist that,
because this is not a data field it is not a 6, so the number is not
embedded within a "666" after all.
.
As the sync character did not have to be the equivalent to a "6" I
suspect that  way back when this was thought up someone decided to
play a game and designed it this way.
On the other hand ... :-).
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       Russell

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1998\09\29@022158 by Dave VanHorn

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>The synch characters at the start-middle and end of the standard bar
>codes we all use (sorry, don't know formal standard number) would be
>decoded as a "6" using the same rules as are used for all the other
>data digits - if it were not for the fact that they insist that,
>because this is not a data field it is not a 6, so the number is not
>embedded within a "666" after all.


BZZZZT... NO WAY JOSE.   I write UPC/EAN barcode decoders, and I can
tell you that ain't true.
A UPC/EAN char always has seven modules, four equal bars only adds up
to four modules.
Nevermind that this isn't one of the three ways to represent a six.
They are there to stabilize the
barcode pen electronics, and to allow me to compensate for inkspread,
and velocity changes
during the read.  I've heard this particular "urban myth" many times,
and the galling thing is that all you
have to do is look it up to see it isn't true.


>As the sync character did not have to be the equivalent to a "6" I
>suspect that  way back when this was thought up someone decided to
>play a game and designed it this way.
>On the other hand ... :-).


IT IS NOT A "6" in any way shape or form.  See the UCC web site,
Barcode one, or the HP web site.
It's JUST some equal sized black and white areas.
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http://www.uc-council.org/
www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/barcode1.html
http://www.hp.com/HP-COMP/barcode/

1998\09\30@170342 by Andy Kunz

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Several days ago I asked if anybody knew how to represent 666 in Roman and
Greek numbering systems.  I suggested these two because

       a)  Rome was in power - it would be possible that John saw the number in
Roman Numerals;
       b)  Greek was the language in which John wrote.  It is just as likely he
saw the representation in Greek.

OK, now for the answers.

YES, DCLXVI is correct in Roman Numerals.

YES and NO, for Greek.  Fr. McGahee responded about the "hex*" enumeration.
While his answer is correct (it means "six hundred sixty six"), the
manuscripts from which we receive the most accurate English version (the
Textus Receptus) used the Greek equivalent of Roman Numerals (that is, they
used their regular letters similar to Roman, but more like our familiar
Arabic numerals in place holding.  How would you like to do long division
on Greek numbers <G>).

       chi xi stigma {khee xee stig'-ma}

Checking the Strong's Concordance ("The Authority" for this type of work)
for this entry is word number 5516:

QUOTE>>

5516 chi xi stigma {khee xee stig'-ma}

the 22d, 14th and an obsolete letter (4742 as a cross) of the Greek
alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers;; number
representation

AV - six hundred threescore and six 1; 1

1) six hundred and sixty six, the meaning of which is the basis of much
vain speculation

<<ENDQUOTE

This comes from the Online Bible for Windows, available free off the web
from a variety of sources.

Together, the letters look something like XEC where the C has a little
squiggle on it at the bottom right corner, and you can go look up chi and
xi yourself because they're probably in a math text in your library.

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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